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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?


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Yes. This is another one of those culture fights that opponents are certain to lose. The fact that we're even having this discussion is a sign of how much ground cultural conservatism has lost over the past two decades.

Actually you are right in this instance. Because the environment will continue to pose ever increasing opposition to what you have termed "cultural conservatism" it will continue to lose ground. Therefore as a practical matter, laws need to be implemented that reflect the reality of the existential conditions that individuals must presently confront.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No I am not. They are the same problem. The main problem is that there is simply not the type of leadership in society today to implement what you would like to put forward. It requires a very deep level of understanding and detachment from mundane influence to do such. People who don't have these types of qualifications will simply get people hurt. Therefore it is better to have laws that can deal with the situation at hand in a practical manner.

That is to be quite frank.

There's nothing practical about self-identification as a means to determine legal gender, race, or anything. They are better off not asking at all.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

There's nothing practical about self-identification as a means to determine legal gender, race, or anything. They are better off not asking at all.

No there are practical issues such as those related to marriage.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No there are practical issues such as those related to marriage.

You'd prefer to have an operation that can invalidate a marriage? There's nothing practical about that.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You'd prefer to have an operation that can invalidate a marriage? There's nothing practical about that.

Actually, this isn't completely true. There hasn't been a case where someone was legally married then got a sex change operation that had their marriage invalidated because it was a legal marriage when entered into. Plus, this shouldn't be an issue (and part of the reason should be for this very fact) in a few months.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You'd prefer to have an operation that can invalidate a marriage? There's nothing practical about that.

There is nothing practical about having marriage laws that discriminate against transwomen.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Actually, this isn't completely true. There hasn't been a case where someone was legally married then got a sex change operation that had their marriage invalidated because it was a legal marriage when entered into. Plus, this shouldn't be an issue (and part of the reason should be for this very fact) in a few months.

If the Supreme Court doesn't rule same-sex marriage a constitutional right then it's only a matter of time.

There is nothing practical about having marriage laws that discriminate against transwomen.

Where do you get that from? A law against same-sex marriage doesn't discriminate against transwomen any more than it discriminates against biological women.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Where do you get that from? A law against same-sex marriage doesn't discriminate against transwomen any more than it discriminates against biological women.

Apparently you have no idea of the nature of the discussion that has taken place in this thread. If you did, you would realize the absurd nature of your comment.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Considering the place and how very rare such occurrences are, I'll stick my original assessment.

There really isnt a safe place anywhere on this planet. But there is the illusion of safety. And to those raped statistics are meaningless. Hell I remember a boy that was killed in a restroom in a mall where it was a good neighborhood nothing like that ever happens. A man/monster cut off the boys testicles while the mother stood outside the door waiting. The boy bled to death before she knew something was wrong.

My point is that there is no reason to endanger ones self over peeing.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No there are practical issues such as those related to marriage.

Let me just say that while practical to use appearances for gender classification it is deeply flawed in the modern world.
 
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My experience was actually at bars. My friend was pretty bold and wasn't afraid at all to use the men's restroom, even if the place was crowded.


I used the men's room at the courthouse today. Women's room sink wasn't working. But they each are "single stalls" so was just me in there.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

There really isnt a safe place anywhere on this planet. But there is the illusion of safety. And to those raped statistics are meaningless. Hell I remember a boy that was killed in a restroom in a mall where it was a good neighborhood nothing like that ever happens. A man/monster cut off the boys testicles while the mother stood outside the door waiting. The boy bled to death before she knew something was wrong.

My point is that there is no reason to endanger ones self over peeing.

There's no need to go through life afraid of the day you never saw either.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

There's no need to go through life afraid of the day you never saw either.

The majority of vehicle owners dont abduct kids, but I wouldnt suggest a kid to go hitching either. Alcohol and Sexual Assault "Sexually assaultive men often describe women who drink in bars as “loose,” immoral women who are appropriate targets for sexual aggression (Kanin 1984; Scully 1991). In fact, date rapists frequently report intentionally getting the woman drunk in order to have sexual intercourse with her (Abbey et al. 1996b)"


A women entering the Men's restroom in a bar could easily be viewed by certain men (I use the description loosely) as a come on, or wanting a gang bang. Perhaps the bar in question was a so called safe place but it only takes one asshole to **** that up.

But dont mind me I have a daughter and I easily go into over protective dad mode.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Post-op transexuals should absolutely be treated as the same gender as they are now assigned. Pre-op, that's a little more difficult to say, where do you define the dividing line? Is it when they say they feel like the opposite gender? Is it when they start dressing as the opposite gender? Is it when they start taking injections? What is that line so we can be consistent across the board?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

The majority of vehicle owners dont abduct kids, but I wouldnt suggest a kid to go hitching either. Alcohol and Sexual Assault "Sexually assaultive men often describe women who drink in bars as “loose,” immoral women who are appropriate targets for sexual aggression (Kanin 1984; Scully 1991). In fact, date rapists frequently report intentionally getting the woman drunk in order to have sexual intercourse with her (Abbey et al. 1996b)"


A women entering the Men's restroom in a bar could easily be viewed by certain men (I use the description loosely) as a come on, or wanting a gang bang. Perhaps the bar in question was a so called safe place but it only takes one asshole to **** that up.

But dont mind me I have a daughter and I easily go into over protective dad mode.

A woman doesn't need to go into a toilet to be viewed a certain way be some kinds of men.

I work in a profession that's 90% female. At conferences the facilities in the buildngs are normally provided 50/50 male to female. It's the norm for females to use the stalls in the mens' rooms at comfort breaks, to avoid the inevitable jams in the ladies', and save the need for breaks to be doubled in length.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

If you define gender as someone that takes hormones and got surgery then you're defining it in a stupid way.

Question dodge in progress.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

All the madness and lies notwithstanding, it's a matter of simple mammalian biology.

One who has XY chromosomes and was born with “boy parts” is male.

One who has XX chromosomes and was born with “girl parts” is female.

“Transgenderism” is nothing more than insanity backed up by Political Correctness.

And the who has XY chromosomes and was born with girl parts?

What about the one who has both XY and XX (i.e. a chimera)? Which one are they?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Because it gives off the impression they are women when they are not. Being factually correct is important in these kind of matters.

Question dodge #2
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Ha. This is funny. You actually don't believe me.

Buck Angel is a transman. He was born a she. His DNA would show that he's an XX woman. Look at Buck Angel's lower left pectoral. You can see the scar where he had his top surgery done (a mastectomy). He's quite renowned in the trans-community, because he's a adult films producer.

Brae Carnes is a transwoman. She was born a he. Her DNA would show that she's an XY man. Her transition video is here.

Just out of curiosity, do you know for fact what their DNA is, and additionally do you know for fact that they are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

And the who has XY chromosomes and was born with girl parts?

What about the one who has both XY and XX (i.e. a chimera)? Which one are they?

Rare genetic or hormonal defects that make up a small fraction of a percent of the population. I'll fully admit that such persons are not necessarily fully male nor fully female, but their condition has nothing to do with how sex selection takes place in the vast majority of humans. They're certainly not relevant to the madness of those who are unambiguously male or unambiguously female claiming to be the opposite of what they are.

For more than 99% of the population, what I stated is absolutely true: they are either fully male or fully female, as defined and established by XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and by their body's sexual characteristics having been formed accordingly.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Rare genetic or hormonal defects that make up a small fraction of a percent of the population. I'll fully admit that such persons are not necessarily fully male nor fully female, but their condition has nothing to do with how sex selection takes place in the vast majority of humans. They're certainly not relevant to the madness of those who are unambiguously male or unambiguously female claiming to be the opposite of what they are.

For more than 99% of the population, what I stated is absolutely true: they are either fully male or fully female, as defined and established by XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and by their body's sexual characteristics having been formed accordingly.

Ok now show me the studies that show that all the transgenders are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies. You are arguing that these people are one thing or the other because of what is between their legs, yet you can't show whether or not their condition is part of a genetic or hormonal condition.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Ok now show me the studies that show that all the transgenders are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies. You are arguing that these people are one thing or the other because of what is between their legs, yet you can't show whether or not their condition is part of a genetic or hormonal condition.

Can you? Are we supposed to prove a negative here?
 
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Can you? Are we supposed to prove a negative here?

Actually you're supposed to prove a positive. That those who are claiming transgendered are in possession of only one set of DNA across their body and/or are free of genetic anomalies that would cause a conflict between internal and physical selves.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Actually you're supposed to prove a positive. That those who are claiming transgendered are in possession of only one set of DNA across their body and/or are free of genetic anomalies that would cause a conflict between internal and physical selves.

So basically you want bob to prove something to be false that has no evidence of being true in the first place. That isn't like religious people asking atheists to prove god doesn't exist how?
 
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