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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

The Mark said:
You are incorrect.
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He is actually 100% correct with that post. The PCB/SJW's need yet another thing to be perpetually offended over, so rushing to the defense of men that mutilate their genitals is the new flavor of the month.
 
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505 said:
He is actually 100% correct with that post. The PCB/SJW's need yet another thing to be perpetually offended over, so rushing to the defense of men that mutilate their genitals is the new flavor of the month.
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Transpersons that get sexual reassignment surgery are only a fraction of all the confused mix of transpersons.

Hell I don't understand it all myself.

But it certainly doesn't seem reasonable to dislike them.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Urethra Franklin said:
You believe you have the right to tell a transgender person exactly what he or she is, contrary to what they feel inside. That's pretty patronising.


:lamo
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*sigh*, they can call themselves whatever they want, I am free to entertain the delusion or not.


I demand you call me "big money dolla" from now on, if you don't you are "patronizing" me. ;)


and yes, I don't give a **** enough about other people or thier beliefs and won't force others to do things that they believe they shouldn't have to. That's tolerance, not your pc fascism.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
A person with a penis isn't going to be waving it in front of anyone in a female bathroom, since they go in stalls with doors closed.....though I am on the fence about which washroom pre-ops should use. Probably the best solution is to use the 'family/disabled' washrooms, where they exist. (more places should have them anyway)
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:shrug: this is a rule I am generally applying to all bathroom/shower room/locker room / washroom / etc. scenarios.
 
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Henrin said:
Facts shouldn't be patronising. Feelings can be based on falsehoods and in fact many times are.
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Your world may be that black and white. The real world isn't.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
XY and XX is simplified genome for those that are not experts in genetics. IE: what determines whether someone is born male or female is far more complex. It is that complexity which can actually allow for a person to feel as a transgender does. In other words Instead of XY its more like XYXYXXY. (still simplified but still more accurate than the simple XY). So even if one part of the development can make the body male the other part of the development can make the mental part female. And visa versa. This is not a mental problem and certainly not a moral problem. It is simply a difference in genetics. Just like genetics can determine someone's eye color or skin color. Genetics can also affect a body and how a person feels.
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That, is false.... there is not any genes that determine transgenderness in a human....
Studies on the subject attribute it to a developmental "defect"(special affect to those PC) and some genetic factors that can increase the chance of the defect of occurring.
 
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celticwar17 said:
That, is false.... there is not any genes that determine transgenderness in a human....
Studies on the subject attribute it to a developmental "defect"(special affect to those PC) and some genetic factors that can increase the chance of the defect of occurring.
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You realize that you just contradicted yourself here right?

Anyways, no it is not false. Ask any geneticist and they will tell you that there is no one gene or even no two genes that determine any one thing.

As for whether something is a defect or not is actually quite subjective in certain circumstances. Gene's that determine whether something is harmful to the body is of course not subjective because of the harm that it causes to the body. However being transgender causes no harm to the body in and of itself.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
You realize that you just contradicted yourself here right?

Anyways, no it is not false. Ask any geneticist and they will tell you that there is no one gene or even no two genes that determine any one thing.

As for whether something is a defect or not is actually quite subjective in certain circumstances. Gene's that determine whether something is harmful to the body is of course not subjective because of the harm that it causes to the body. However being transgender causes no harm to the body in and of itself.
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You see contradiction because you do not understand.... there are genes that can help increase the chance of having a less than hospitable environment that causes the development to go wrong...you can have a clone of a transgendered man and have that clone not turn out transgender-ed.

There are many factors which have been sen to make the development of a child go wrong... for example a stressful pregnancy increases the chances of a homosexual baby. Not one of them has been found to be DIRECTLY genetic.
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
How about the one just there where you admit it?
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lol, where do I admit it? quote please.


You scream PC fascism to hide your prejudices.
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*sigh*

I guarantee you I am far more tolerant and have less prejudices than you. ;)
 
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celticwar17 said:
You see contradiction because you do not understand.... there are genes that can help increase the chance of having a less than hospitable environment that causes the development to go wrong...you can have a clone of a transgendered man and have that clone not turn out transgender-ed.

There are many factors which have been sen to make the development of a child go wrong... for example a stressful pregnancy increases the chances of a homosexual baby. Not one of them has been found to be DIRECTLY genetic.
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Oh I understand just fine. It would be silly to think that environment doesn't play some role in the development of humans. Everything from the amount of radiation each individual is exposed to all the way to what a person eats and drinks can have an affect. Evolution shows that all by itself. Even cancer is the result of a combination of both genetics and environment.

However to think that transgenderism, or even homosexuality OR heterosexuality or just about anything else is purely the result of ones environment is just as silly.

As for your clone analogy, do you have a link that proves that? As far as I am aware no human clones have even been successfully made much less such a study as to whether the clone of a transgendered person turning out to not be transgendered ever being conducted.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
and yes, I don't give a **** enough about other people or thier beliefs and won't force others to do things that they believe they shouldn't have to. That's tolerance, not your pc fascism.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
lol, where do I admit it? quote please.





*sigh*

I guarantee you I am far more tolerant and have less prejudices than you. ;)
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In that first post?

You can complain about a partial quote; but you did say that
 
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paddymcdougall said:
In that first post?

You can complain about a partial quote; but you did say that
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wait, saying I don't care about other people and thier beliefs is me being prejudiced? I would think that's the exact opposite. /facepalm
 
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Kal'Stang said:
You realize that you just contradicted yourself here right?

Anyways, no it is not false. Ask any geneticist and they will tell you that there is no one gene or even no two genes that determine any one thing.

As for whether something is a defect or not is actually quite subjective in certain circumstances. Gene's that determine whether something is harmful to the body is of course not subjective because of the harm that it causes to the body. However being transgender causes no harm to the body in and of itself.
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Do you have the name of the gene or genes you're referring to?
 
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Henrin said:
Do you have the name of the gene or genes you're referring to?
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He was referring to my post #47. As far as specific gene names, :shrug: I'm not a geneticist so don't know specific names. I only have a laymens understanding of genetics comparatively speaking.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
He was referring to my post #47. As far as specific gene names, :shrug: I'm not a geneticist so don't know specific names. I only have a laymens understanding of genetics comparatively speaking.
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Odd. The name of the genes should have been mentioned in your research material.
 
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Henrin said:
Odd. The name of the genes should have been mentioned in your research material.
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My research has been accumulated over many many years and is derived from many different sources/articles and my own personal experiences. Like I said, I'm no expert and would never claim to be such. Everything that I have said here comes from my own general understanding of genetics. However if you wish here is one article that shows that genetics for male vs female isn't near as simple as you or celtic may think.

In most individuals with 46,XX testicular disorder of sex development, the condition results from an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes (translocation). This exchange occurs as a random event during the formation of sperm cells in the affected person's father. The translocation affects the gene responsible for development of a fetus into a male (the SRY gene). The SRY gene, which is normally found on the Y chromosome, is misplaced in this disorder, almost always onto an X chromosome. A fetus with an X chromosome that carries the SRY gene will develop as a male despite not having a Y chromosome.
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What is the X chromosome?

As you can see here some people may not even HAVE a Y (male) chromosome, and yet are still physically male. What this also shows though is that everyone does have a X (female) chromosome.

Now what is also generally known is that gene's have varying strengths. Some are more dominant and others are not and some are just plain inactive. IE: It's not such a black and white topic of one gene being the end all be all of a genetic string. There are a million plus genetic variations that make up the human genome all by itself. Indeed, as my article shows the X chromosome just by itself spans 155 million dna building blocks.

So faced with this, are you really so sure that it is as simple as XY = Male PERIOD and XX = Female PERIOD? Do you see how I came to write what I did in my post #47?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
My research has been accumulated over many many years and is derived from many different sources/articles and my own personal experiences. Like I said, I'm no expert and would never claim to be such. Everything that I have said here comes from my own general understanding of genetics. However if you wish here is one article that shows that genetics for male vs female isn't near as simple as you or celtic may think.



What is the X chromosome?

As you can see here some people may not even HAVE a Y (male) chromosome, and yet are still physically male. What this also shows though is that everyone does have a X (female) chromosome.

Now what is also generally known is that gene's have varying strengths. Some are more dominant and others are not and some are just plain inactive. IE: It's not such a black and white topic of one gene being the end all be all of a genetic string. There are a million plus genetic variations that make up the human genome all by itself. Indeed, as my article shows the X chromosome just by itself spans 155 million dna building blocks.

So faced with this, are you really so sure that it is as simple as XY = Male PERIOD and XX = Female PERIOD? Do you see how I came to write what I did in my post #47?
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When did I say that? You need to defend your case towards transgenders, not refer to genetic diseases that I have already admitted exist.
 
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Henrin said:
When did I say that? You need to defend your case towards transgenders, not refer to genetic diseases that I have already admitted exist.
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Each of the following posts shows that you consider it to be a simple black and white issue. A person that has XY chromosomes is male. A person that has XX chromosomes is female. Period. There is no other possibility except through genetic diseases. Nor was my post aimed at letting you know that genetic diseases do or don't exist. That would be a silly thing to do considering. ;) My posts are there to inform you that it is not such a black and white issue.

Now, as I've already admitted what is or isn't a defect is of course entirely subjective with the exception of those that cause harm, such as cancer. Whether it is or not is of course up to you. I'm not arguing that side of things. I'm just mainly here to show that it isn't near as simple as so many seem to think and have implied through their posts. However I would point out that by definition a "defect" is normally something that is considered undesirable and harmful to the whole of someone/something. Now transgenderism may be considered undesirable by people, but it is not harmful to that someone. Same essentially applies to genetic diseases btw. As such categorizing transgenders as "defects" or "genetic diseases" isn't actually all that accurate.

Henrin said:
No, they are men.
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Henrin said:
If you define gender as someone that takes hormones and got surgery then you're defining it in a stupid way.
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Henrin said:
An XX man or an XY women are not trangenders. XX men and XY women are people that suffer from a genetic disease. Your improper classification was ignored for a reason.
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Henrin said:
That doesn't debunk her argument. All you are talking about is human development in the above paragraphs. The Y chromosome and it's genetic importance still exists regardless of your argument.
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If the individual has gone through the procedure and hormone treatment then sure. In other words If you have the mindset of a female the genitalia of a female as well as the hormones of a female then you are indeed a female.
 
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