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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
If we are going to use the term gender we should define it in a consistent and logical manner. Calling two groups of people the same gender is illogical and makes the entire concept useless.
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Gender is what society agrees on it to be.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
Gender is what society agrees on it to be.
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And society largely disagrees with you. It also doesn't change the fact that calling MTF individuals and born women the same gender is illogical.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
And society largely disagrees with you. It also doesn't change the fact that calling MTF individuals and born women the same gender is illogical.
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The list of things society disagrees with me on is extensive.

We'll define gender objectively as soon as you define "woman" objectively.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
The list of things society disagrees with me on is extensive.
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Does that even matter to the point?

We'll define gender objectively as soon as you define "woman" objectively.
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If you are calling born women and transgenders the same gender the best you can argue is subjectivity. Objectively they are not the same and it makes no sense to call them by the same name.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
No one chooses who they're attracted to.
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Have you ever been attracted to a transgendered person? Or is your random attraction limited to people of your preferred flavor who got there naturally?

This is kind if the point, no one will outright say they are sexually attracted to transgendered people. For everyone who claims to be tolerant. Why not?

Certainly transgendered people deserve equal protection under the law, but. Find it weird that people will get upset shen you refer to them by their actual physical gender and then dodge my little gender blindness test
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
Does that even matter to the point?
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Not particularly, but you brought the popularity of my opinion up.
Henrin said:
If you are calling born women and transgenders the same gender the best you can argue is subjectivity. Objectively they are not the same and it makes no sense to call them by the same name.
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No two beings are the same. The similarities that we emphasize are the similarities we emphasize. Nothing more.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

EMNofSeattle said:
Have you ever been attracted to a transgendered person?
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Yes. And I'm celibate.

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
We'll define gender objectively as soon as you define "woman" objectively.
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XX

Clearly what you're dodging is that, before you add the third X there must be two present
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
Not particularly, but you brought the popularity of my opinion up.
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Fair enough.

No two beings are the same. The similarities that we emphasize are the similarities we emphasize. Nothing more.
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So that is your argument? So basically you're arguing that the difference between lets say two born men are equivalent to that of a man and a FTM? I don't see how that makes sense.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Amadeus said:
Yes. And I'm celibate.

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Well you are the first one to say yes and I will believe you
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

EMNofSeattle said:
Have you ever been attracted to a transgendered person? Or is your random attraction limited to people of your preferred flavor who got there naturally?

This is kind if the point, no one will outright say they are sexually attracted to transgendered people. For everyone who claims to be tolerant. Why not?

Certainly transgendered people deserve equal protection under the law, but. Find it weird that people will get upset shen you refer to them by their actual physical gender and then dodge my little gender blindness test
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There seem to be quite a number of websites that pop up when I search for "shemale porn." I'd suggest far more results than "average middle aged man porn." Obviously someone's attracted to them.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

EMNofSeattle said:
This is kind if the point, no one will outright say they are sexually attracted to transgendered people.
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HAAA, you have absolutely no idea. Nor do you probably want to know .....
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

EMNofSeattle said:
Now I didn't say dating , I said sexual. While those two are not mutually exclusive they are also not synonymous.
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I would have no problem ****ing a transwoman.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
But you're a lesbian and they are a man. Sure, they look like women, but wouldn't you be aware they are in fact a man? Wouldn't you also be aware that their ***** is basically a male genitalia moved around to look like a vagina? Wouldn't that bother you just a little bit as a lesbian?
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No, they are women, and I am attracted to women. I would have no problem dating another woman.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
Fair enough.



So that is your argument? So basically you're arguing that the difference between lets say two born men are equivalent to that of a man and a FTM? I don't see how that makes sense.
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I'm arguing no one's equivalent.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
It's a social construct that's applied to animals as well as humans. Application size doesn't increase validity.
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So, if not for this “social construct” a cattle farmer could breed more cows from only cows, with no need to muck around with a dangerous and aggressive bull?

I think you have partaken much too deeply of the solid digestive waste from that bull.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Until the transformation is completed they should treated as the Gender they are borned as.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock said:
So, if not for this “social construct” a cattle farmer could breed more cows from only cows, with no need to muck around with a dangerous and aggressive bull?

I think you have partaken much too deeply of the solid digestive waste from that bull.
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The social construct exists because it's largely functional. Being largely functional isn't the same as being accurate.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Your Star said:
No, they are women, and I am attracted to women. I would have no problem dating another woman.
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But a transwoman is a male...
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Goshin said:
In what sense? In theory, men and women are supposed to be equal under the law.
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And so gender, trans or otherwise, shouldn't matter legally.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
If we are going to use the term gender we should define it in a consistent and logical manner. Calling two groups of people the same gender is illogical and makes the entire concept useless.
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And there is the problem.

Sex has a consistent and absolute definition. One is either male or female based on immutable and observable biological traits.

“Gender” does not. Those who substitute gender for sex cannot consistently or objectively distinguish who is male and who is female based on the definitions that they try to use.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
The list of things society disagrees with me on is extensive.

We'll define gender objectively as soon as you define "woman" objectively.
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Woman. An adult human, who is biologically female. It's easy, and completely clear, if you use biological sex rather than Politically-Correct “gender” as the basis for the definition.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Unrepresented said:
The social construct exists because it's largely functional. Being largely functional isn't the same as being accurate.
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The social construct exists, and is functional, because it is based on immutable biological reality.

You're trying to replace it with a dysfunctional social construct based on Politically-Correct madness. There's no way for that to end well.
 
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