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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?


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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I always wonder why people stereotype most conservatives/republicans for having similar views and being bigots, they don't appear to be wrong.

Oh that's easy. It's because the choose to ignore that many if not most conservatives see this as a nuanced issue like most people do. It's classic painting with a broad brush.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

That one is a perfect example of what testosterone injections coupled with weight training can do in terms of protein synthesis.

I have to admit it made me want to juice. ;)
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

This is intolerance of difference of opinion.

What it should be classified is a mental disorder.

There is a disorder where people want thier limbs cut off. Should we indulge that?


And before you throw out the "there is scientific proof". no there isn't there are theory and hypothesis, there is no factual determination. And while we don't know, forcing others to indulge in others fantasy isn't the answer.


Run what you brung. if you have a penis and want to wear a dress, godspeed, if you are an adult and you can find someone willing to give you harmones, and surgery godspeed.

But to expect others, no, coerce others to accept your views, is wrong.



I personally don't care what bathroom they use, I can see why men claiming to be women and wanting to enter womens bathrooms, would be viewed as troubling by some.

A mental disorder? :applaud
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

XY chromosomes do not change into XX. “Boy parts” do not change into “girl parts”. No current or plausibly-anticipated technology makes it possible for someone who was born one sex to fulfill the reproductive functions of the other sex. Sex isn't just a malleable “condition” of a human body; it is an immutable, essential trait of a human being.

Biological sex is an object distinction, based on hard scientific criteria. “Gender”—where it is claimed to differ from one's biological sex—is not.

The condition of being a woman is based on more than just a composition of chromosomes, and the nature of a person's reproductive system. This is easily demonstrated by THE FACT than some women have the chromosomal structure as males and do not have the organs necessary for reproduction. While it is true that such instances are exceptions, they are there nonetheless, and these individuals do not feel that they are not women as a result. In fact some do not notice it until they note that they do not experience the phenomenon of menstruation.

GIRLS with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.

Swyer syndrome

Rather the condition of being a woman can be more accurately described as an experience characterized by such things as

1. Sexuality
2. Tastes in the presentation of appearance, such as choice of clothing
3. Biological functions
4. Anatomical structures
5. Tastes in activity
6. Tastes in aesthetics

Although there is variance among women within these items, when we note a strong presence of some or all of these that are common to women in general, then we can say that the person is indeed undergoing the experience of being a woman. As such, it is not unrealistic to treat them in that way, at the very least in the legal sense.
 
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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

they should be treated like transgender legally because they cant be like a natural born woman.it is the fact of our biological differences.I feel sympathy for them but it doesnt prevent me from being reasonable

There are biological differences among what you term as natural born women. Not only that but the experience of being a woman is not exclusively a function of a person's biological composition. As such, there is no reason not to treat them as women in the legal sense.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

There are biological differences among what you term as natural born women. Not only that but the experience of being a woman is not exclusively a function of a person's biological composition. As such, there is no reason not to treat them as women in the legal sense.



link to this please..
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

what world do you live in that one psychiatrists opinion trumps the DSM-V


The real world.


Changing the name, to "dysphoria" reflects a change in social attitudes not any new scientific findings.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

So why do you think biology is a better way for legal purposes?

Because converting to the male gender still allows you to get pregnant. Gender is self-identified, which makes it somewhat arbitrary, and not useful for practical purposes.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

The real world.


Changing the name, to "dysphoria" reflects a change in social attitudes not any new scientific findings.
are you a positivist?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Legally treated as women? You mean allowing them to fill out "F" on legal forms instead of "M"? Sounds okay to me.
Hell...I think a better option would be to call them "Transgendered". If you really want 'respect' and to avoid confusion, be what you believe you are. And if you want RESPECT, then respect others...even those that dont agree with you. The crossdressing defensive lineman that caused a ruckus at Planet Fitness even came out and said he/she understood the womans concerns, that there is no way around the fact that he looks like a man front side and back, and that he wasnt angry with her. See...I respect that. Dont play the victim.

But you know...if someone has the commitment to cross over to the other side...well...sure...call yourself a woman. By all means.

For all I care, someone can tattoo scales on their face and call themselves a lizard. Sometimes you cant help what you 'feel'.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

so would you have a sexual relationship based off of someone's mentally identified gender ?

I would have no problem dating a transwoman.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I would have no problem dating a transwoman.

But you're a lesbian and they are a man. Sure, they look like women, but wouldn't you be aware they are in fact a man? Wouldn't you also be aware that their ***** is basically a male genitalia moved around to look like a vagina? Wouldn't that bother you just a little bit as a lesbian?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

But you're a lesbian and they are a man. Sure, they look like women, but wouldn't you be aware they are in fact a man? Wouldn't you also be aware that their ***** is basically a male genitalia moved around to look like a vagina? Wouldn't that bother you just a little bit as a lesbian?
As in keeping with the history of these threads, your definitions of male and female are not absolute.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I would have no problem dating a transwoman.

Now I didn't say dating , I said sexual. While those two are not mutually exclusive they are also not synonymous.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

As in keeping with the history of these threads, your definition of male and female are not absolute.

Ok, so the only way that argument would apply here is if you believe that MTF individuals are women. Since that is factually incorrect I don't see where your argument has to go.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

As in keeping with the history of these threads, your definition of male and female are not absolute.

They should be though, there should be nothng controversial about saying someone with male genitalia is a man or vice versa. We seen to live in a society where if science isn't convenient just ignore
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Ok, so the only way that argument would apply here is if you believe that MTF individuals are women. Since that is factually incorrect I don't see where your argument has to go.

I believe that gender is a social construct. MTF are whatever gender society determines them to be on a social level, and independent beings with various similarities to other independent beings beyond that.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I believe that gender is a social construct. MTF are whatever gender society determines them to be on a social level, and independent beings with various similarities to other independent beings beyond that.

So will you engage in social construction with one of these social constructs?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I believe that gender is a social construct. MTF are whatever gender society determines them to be on a social level, and independent beings with various similarities to other independent beings beyond that.

If we are going to use the term gender we should define it in a consistent and logical manner. Calling two groups of people the same gender is illogical and makes the entire concept useless.
 
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