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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?


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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

1: Right to association is an actual Right. You might wish to ignore that but hey, you don't have to acknowledge it for it to actually exist.

2: The fact that a business operates in communities does not strip the owners of their Rights.

Of course right of association is a right. That is why public accommodation laws do not restrict any private associations, churches, or clubs. A business that is open to the public is an entirely different legal matter and that is why you don't have any courts agreeing with your position on this.


Really? Then why did the OP have to ask the question that is posed in the poll? Apparently it affects far more than you realize.

Yes it affects the lives of the transgendered and their families. How does it impact your life?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

You WERE a baby boy, but you are not one now. Therefore we should not treat you as you are one now. What you are doing is tying a person's sex to the condition of their body, but the condition of a person's body can change. Just like we don't treat you like a baby boy, just because that was the condition of your body at birth, we should not treat someone based on the condition of their body at the time of their birth.

XY chromosomes do not change into XX. “Boy parts” do not change into “girl parts”. No current or plausibly-anticipated technology makes it possible for someone who was born one sex to fulfill the reproductive functions of the other sex. Sex isn't just a malleable “condition” of a human body; it is an immutable, essential trait of a human being.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I voted "don't know," but let me explain. I don't think that they should legally be treated as women, because I don't really think the law should have anything to do with it. I think that people should be decent enough to treat people well, and honor the gender that they identify with, but I just don't know if I want the law involved in anything.

You have raised a point here that I've considered for quite some time only mine may be a bit more expanded. I've thought that the government should not make a distinction with not only gender identity but with pretty much ANY type of classification regarding humans. IE: Get rid of the racial characterizations as we are ALL human. Get rid of genderism on their forms. etc etc. I fully believe that by using such classifications all it does is keep racism, sexism etc etc alive and well because people all to often use those classifications for their own bigoted agenda's.

IMO the government needs to start making laws based on humanity. Not groups.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

So why do you think biology is a better way for legal purposes?

Biological sex is an object distinction, based on hard scientific criteria. “Gender”—where it is claimed to differ from one's biological sex—is not.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I have thought about what you have put forward. I think that there is certainly a strong case to be made for this in the case of marriage. That said, because we don't require women to disclose such things as whether or not they have had sex with animals before engaging in intercourse, I don't think transwomen should be required to disclose such, unless there is some sort of health risk to the other party.

Good point though. I had not thought about that.

Certainly, a man who is entering into a relationship that might lead to marriage, and absolutely, before he gets to the point of marriage, has a right to know that the “woman” in question is not a woman at all.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Of course right of association is a right. That is why public accommodation laws do not restrict any private associations, churches, or clubs. A business that is open to the public is an entirely different legal matter and that is why you don't have any courts agreeing with your position on this.

Yeah, you keep hanging onto that "legality" argument and ignore the fact that you are promoting the same thing that you accused social conservatives of. Both groups of what they consider valid reasons for doing so. Even if both sides are equally just as wrong as the other.

Yes it affects the lives of the transgendered and their families. How does it impact your life?

It impacted my life by changing my outlook on transgenders after I met one.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

The distinction between male and female is a human concept. It's a concept that is largely accepted because it's largely functional, but that doesn't make it accurate.

It's a biological reality, not some abstract social concept, and it is not limited to humans.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

XY chromosomes do not change into XX. “Boy parts” do not change into “girl parts”. No current or plausibly-anticipated technology makes it possible for someone who was born one sex to fulfill the reproductive functions of the other sex. Sex isn't just a malleable “condition” of a human body; it is an immutable, essential trait of a human being.

The biology definitely works that way.

However, isn't the person in question is really asking society to treat them and accept them based on mental gender identity? That which they are tailoring their external appearances and behaviors to?

From the public's concerns point of view the only thing that seems to cause any angst is the public restroom question, which, if they were all lockable single person uni-sex facilities, would alleviate the angst, wouldn't it?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

It's a biological reality, not some abstract social concept, and it is not limited to humans.
It's a social construct that's applied to animals as well as humans. Application size doesn't increase validity.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Well, what do you think?
I think I need more context. When you say "legally", do you mean in where they might be housed if arrested/incarcerated? Restroom access in general? Something else? Anything and everything, or just a few things?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You have raised a point here that I've considered for quite some time only mine may be a bit more expanded. I've thought that the government should not make a distinction with not only gender identity but with pretty much ANY type of classification regarding humans. IE: Get rid of the racial characterizations as we are ALL human. Get rid of genderism on their forms. etc etc. I fully believe that by using such classifications all it does is keep racism, sexism etc etc alive and well because people all to often use those classifications for their own bigoted agenda's.

IMO the government needs to start making laws based on humanity. Not groups.

Yes. Exactly.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin, you never cease to amaze me with your bigotry.

Rights are only for him. He's a "libertarian" who doesn't believe in anyone's rights other than his own.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Rights are only for him. He's a "libertarian" who doesn't believe in anyone's rights other than his own.

This isn't a rights issue. This is an issue that involves calling someone by a name that is factually incorrect or at the very least inconsistent. I would be perfectly ok with calling them by some other name besides male, but calling them a female makes it seem like they are equivalent to women, in which they are not.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Well, what do you think?

I think the question of what exactly that would mean is a good one, but in theory I think they should. In theory though, women and men are treated equally before the law, so "legally" I'm not sure what the difference would be.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Moderator's Warning:
Alright everyone. Stop the personal snipes and backhanded insults or you will be ejected from the thread at the very least.
Henrin, you never cease to amaze me with your bigotry.

Rights are only for him. He's a "libertarian" who doesn't believe in anyone's rights other than his own.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

This isn't a rights issue. This is an issue that involves calling someone by a name that is factually incorrect or at the very least inconsistent.

It is a rights issue. It's a person's right to live their own life as they wish. A person should have the right to their own decisions and their own life. Don't you believe that as a libertarian? Government out of people's lives and people's decisions for themselves?

Legally, men and women are supposed to be equal anyway. So what you're really getting your panties in a wad over is whether it says "M" or "F" on a drivers license.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

It is a rights issue. It's a person's right to live their own life as they wish. A person should have the right to their own decisions and their own life. Don't you believe that as a libertarian? Government out of people's lives and people's decisions for themselves?

I never said anything about a persons right to live their own life as they wish nor does this issue involve such concerns. This issue involves a legal classification, which is a legal matter.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I never said anything about a persons right to live their own life as they wish nor does this issue involve such concerns. This issue involves a legal classification, which is a legal matter.

In what way are men and women classified differently before the law? And shouldn't they be equal if they are not?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

they should be treated like transgender legally because they cant be like a natural born woman.it is the fact of our biological differences.I feel sympathy for them but it doesnt prevent me from being reasonable
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Henrin, you never cease to amaze me with your bigotry.

This is intolerance of difference of opinion.

What it should be classified is a mental disorder.

There is a disorder where people want thier limbs cut off. Should we indulge that?


And before you throw out the "there is scientific proof". no there isn't there are theory and hypothesis, there is no factual determination. And while we don't know, forcing others to indulge in others fantasy isn't the answer.


Run what you brung. if you have a penis and want to wear a dress, godspeed, if you are an adult and you can find someone willing to give you harmones, and surgery godspeed.

But to expect others, no, coerce others to accept your views, is wrong.



I personally don't care what bathroom they use, I can see why men claiming to be women and wanting to enter womens bathrooms, would be viewed as troubling by some.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

There is a disorder where people want thier limbs cut off. Should we indulge that?

ah yes the tried and true practice of bringing up something irrelevant to the topic
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:65]

"These things are equally absurd to me, so they must be the same!"
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

ah yes the tried and true practice of bringing up something irrelevant to the topic



It is relevant when you put it in the context of my post, cherry picking it and claiming it "irrellevant" does not make it so. FAIL .
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

It is relevant when you put it in the context of my post, cherry picking it and claiming it "irrellevant" does not make it so. FAIL .
seems as thought your post was incomplete when i responded

nevertheless your post is a fail because the desire to cut off a body part is not the same as the desire to relieve gender dysphoria
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

seems as thought your post was incomplete when i responded

nevertheless your post is a fail because the desire to cut off a body part is not the same as the desire to relieve gender dysphoria



Spoken like a true propagandist.


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Why wouldn't it be a form of BDD?


because the reproductive organs and socual constructs of gender are involved?
 
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