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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

digsbe said:
No, they are not biological women and never will be. I can understand some kind of third status, but recognizing them and legally treating them as biological women shouldn't happen because they aren't. Many things that apply to real women like reproductive health, motherhood, military draft requirements and other such things don't merit special status for a transwoman.

Also, I don't think the government should be under any compulsion to give into their own desired gender status.

I'm okay with them designating themselves as female on licenses, government forms and whatnot (same for transmen), but other issues like pregnancy health insurance coverage, draft issues and other such things need to be different.
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Don't forget drivers insurance. I could have saved a bunch of money as a teen by suddenly discovering that I was a girl.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

brothern said:
Ha. This is funny. You actually don't believe me.

Buck Angel is a transman. He was born a she. His DNA would show that he's an XX woman. Look at Buck Angel's lower left pectoral. You can see the scar where he had his top surgery done (a mastectomy). He's quite renowned in the trans-community, because he's a adult films producer.

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Brae Carnes is a transwoman. She was born a he. Her DNA would show that she's an XY man. Her transition video is here.

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And your point is that.... we can drastically alter someone's appearance with plastic surgery and hormone treatments?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

brothern said:
Ha. This is funny. You actually don't believe me.

Buck Angel is a transman. He was born a she. His DNA would show that he's an XX woman. Look at Buck Angel's lower left pectoral. You can see the scar where he had his top surgery done (a mastectomy). He's quite renowned in the trans-community, because he's a adult films producer.

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Brae Carnes is a transwoman. She was born a he. Her DNA would show that she's an XY man. Her transition video is here.

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Ahem..nothing you just said debunks or even challenges my argument. You're simply using improper classification and pretending as if your argument wasn't already dismantled.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

brothern said:
An XY male. AKA Brae Carnes, a transwoman.

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An XX female. AKA Buck Angel, a transman.

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And this is a reptile, right?

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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

cpwill said:
And your point is that.... we can drastically alter someone's appearance with plastic surgery and hormone treatments?
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Yes, and the problem with this is? I know a FTM trans individual, actually went to school with him, the appearance is a way to express his real identity.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Dovkan said:
Yes, and the problem with this is?
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:shrug: he seemed to think he was demonstrating something meaningful. I'm not sure what. This guy went to a lot of effort to change his appearance to look more like a lizard.

I know a FTM trans individual, actually went to school with him, the appearance is a way to express their real identity.
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:shrug: my sister had a fiance who, after being a lesbian for years, suddenly discovered she was actually a man. The breakup was painful. Anywho, she got the top surgery done, but not the bottom, and is now taking hormone treatments in order to grow out her beard. Again. Knowing someone who suffers from this doesn't, actually, have meaning to the debate, unless you think the debate should be solved by whether or not we are willing to disagree with people in our real-world lives.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone who opposes say exactly what defines a person's sex.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

cpwill said:
And your point is that.... we can drastically alter someone's appearance with plastic surgery and hormone treatments?
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If you're comfortable forcing Buck Angel and other FTMs to use the bathroom of their gender at birth, instead of the gender they identify with, then we have no problem.

Oh, and here's Balian Buschbaum. He's a German athelete and another FTM who'd many Republicans would like to use the female's bathroom ... because, again, he was born a female.

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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock said:
And this is a reptile, right?
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Dang you, bob, you stole my line :lol:
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
Ahem..nothing you just said debunks or even challenges my argument. You're simply using improper classification and pretending as if your argument wasn't already dismantled.
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You're the one arguing that a guy that looks like a guy, sounds like a guy and acts like a guy should be legally considered a female. Because ... actually, wait, what was your argument again?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
Because it gives off the impression they are women when they are not. Being factually correct is important in these kind of matters.
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No its your wanting to impose your personal beliefs using the law. It makes no difference in your life what sex a transgendered person is legally considered to be. Yet it personally bothers you, so you want your personal beliefs codified into law.

Moreover, your beliefs are subjective. In my opinion your gender is defined by your hormone profile. For example, maybe men with man boobs should be considered less male legally as their body produces more estrogen than is normally present in a healthy male.

Why should this person be legally considered a man instead of a woman:

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Yet this person is legally considered all male:

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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

brothern said:
If you're comfortable forcing Buck Angel and other FTMs to use the bathroom of their gender at birth, instead of the gender they identify with, then we have no problem.
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The bathroom issue is dependent (imo) on where they currently are as far as surgery is concerned. Pre-Op, I would say you are with your birth. Post-Op (assuming bottom), I would say you end up with people whose genitals are closest to yours.



It's a simplified way to put the issue, but the basic point is, no waving penises in front of 7 year old girls, regardless of your opinion of it.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

brothern said:
You're the one arguing that a guy that looks like a guy, sounds like a guy and acts like a guy should be legally considered a female. Because ...
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Because she is one?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

MildSteel said:
Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone who opposes say exactly what defines a person's sex.
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If you ignore the hard, biological reality, all you have left is some nonsensical Politically-Correct crap about one's “gender” being what one “identifies” as it being.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock said:
If you ignore the hard, biological reality, all you have left is some nonsensical Politically-Correct crap about one's “gender” being what one “identifies” as it being.
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So what is it that determines a person's sex in your view? I still have not heard an answer.
 
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MildSteel said:
Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone who opposes say exactly what defines a person's sex.
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Those that opposing here are saying that the sex chromosomes and biological sex assigned at birth are what a person's sex is.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock said:
If you ignore the hard, biological reality, all you have left is some nonsensical Politically-Correct crap about one's “gender” being what one “identifies” as it being.
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If we didn't ignore the hard, biological reality; you were a female in the first few weeks of your life Bob. That's literally the reason why you have nipples.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

MildSteel said:
So what is it that determines a person's sex in your view? I still have not heard an answer.
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You haven't been looking very hard, then. Not that it should even be necessary. Before all this “transgender” nonsense arose, the answer was obvious. It still is.
 
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brothern said:
Those that opposing here are saying that the sex chromosomes and biological sex assigned at birth are what a person's sex is.
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Its complicated.
 
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brothern said:
Those that opposing here are saying that the sex chromosomes and biological sex assigned at birth are what a person's sex is.
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Well, that is biology 101....
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

MildSteel said:
So you were a baby at birth. Should we still treat you like a baby?
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Cuz that's the same thing.... :roll:
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Josie said:
Cuz that's the same thing.... :roll:
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I'm sorry. I don't understand your point. Please explain.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Josie said:
Well, that is biology 101....
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As MildSteel just said, it's a whole lot more complicated.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Henrin said:
Ahem..nothing you just said debunks or even challenges my argument. You're simply using improper classification and pretending as if your argument wasn't already dismantled.
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I guess using his argument this person must be a cat.

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Maybe this person is really a black man.
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Maybe this person is really white,
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