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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Absentglare said:
That's not accurate. What about hermaphrodites ? Are they neither man nor woman, or are they both ? My whole point is that reducing gender into only those two terms is not biologically complete.

Between hormones, adams apple removal surgery, breast implants, a change in body fat, styles, and mannerisms- are you arguing it is impossible to "completely" change your gender or that it's impossible to change your gender in any way ?
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There are men, women and hermaphrodites.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What a wierd way to seek attention.
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As you are so you think of others. That aside, what I have said is very useful information. The sentient living being is eternal, however, it is currently in an environment in which everything is being destroyed. It is an incompatible situation. Like I said, very useful information.
 
MildSteel said:
As you are so you think of others. That aside, what I have said is very useful information. The sentient living being is eternal, however, it is currently in an environment in which everything is being destroyed. It is an incompatible situation. Like I said, very useful information.
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Wait a minute... you are that "one" somthing guys sock! :lol:

I'll have CC check up on this...
 
Bodhisattva said:
There are men, women and hermaphrodites.
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I think you are confusing sex with gender.

Sexual anatomy and chromosomes define the 'sex' which can be male, female, or intersex.

Gender is more complicated.
 
Absentglare said:
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I think you are confusing sex with gender.

Sexual anatomy and chromosomes define the 'sex' which can be male, female, or intersex.

Gender is more complicated.
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Gender is basically whatever the individual in question chooses it to be?
 
The Mark said:
Gender is basically whatever the individual in question chooses it to be?
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Gender is the societal role enlightened by sexual attributes.

I don't really view it as a choice. A human being organically feels like one or the other, and that doesn't always align perfectly with the sexual anatomy they were born with. Many of them believe that they would prefer to be cisgender, if it were under their control. Society is not always welcoming of people who fall into the cracks of what is easy to categorize.

Sex changes are attempts to reconcile the psychological and anatomical discrepancies.
 
Absentglare said:
- are you arguing it is impossible to "completely" change your gender or that it's impossible to change your gender in any way ?
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Absentglare said:
Gender is the societal role enlightened by sexual attributes.

I don't really view it as a choice. A human being organically feels like one or the other, and that doesn't always align perfectly with the sexual anatomy they were born with. Many of them believe that they would prefer to be cisgender, if it were under their control. Society is not always welcoming of people who fall into the cracks of what is easy to categorize.

Sex changes are attempts to reconcile the psychological and anatomical discrepancies.
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And it's a futile attempt at that, given that suicide rates among transgenders remain at about 40% even after surgery.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Your Star said:
No brainier, absolutely.

The same goes for transmen; they should be treated as men.
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Yup, and should immediately receive a 30% cut in pay, commensurate with being a real woman. This saves the company lots of money. It might even be good policy to promote a company wide policy that all medical bills will be covered for men who want to be women. It saves the company tons of money over the long run, and gets their gender diversity numbers up. :2razz:
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

should these ladyboys be given maternity leave too, when they get pregnant?
 
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phattonez said:
And it's a futile attempt at that, given that suicide rates among transgenders remain at about 40% even after surgery.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell how much of that is due to a cultural unwillingness to acknowledge the change as evidenced by attitudes like these below...

Rightwingguy said:
no, of course no, because chopping your penis off does not make you a woman
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Rightwingguy said:
should these ladyboys be given maternity leave too, when they get pregnant?
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Sorry, but no. You can change to become a woman for all intents and purposes relevant to the public.

Men should be given maternity leave anyways.
 
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so, if these ladyboys can't become pregnant, then how the F can they be deemed women?
 
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Rightwingguy said:
should these ladyboys be given maternity leave too, when they get pregnant?
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If that ever becomes possible, why not?

Hell, some companies give male parents maternity leave now, I think.
 
Absentglare said:
I believe that it's simple for you, but then you're deliberately ignoring the scientific nuance that i'm describing to you.
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When will you finally show some scientific facts?
 
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Absentglare said:
Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell how much of that is due to a cultural unwillingness to acknowledge the change as evidenced by attitudes like these below...





Sorry, but no. You can change to become a woman for all intents and purposes relevant to the public.

Men should be given maternity leave anyways.
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Even with strong family support the suicide rate remains about 30%.
 
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Rightwingguy said:
so, if these ladyboys can't become pregnant, then how the F can they be deemed women?
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So a woman who is born sterile should not be called a woman ?

The same is true of anti-gay-marriage claims using that excuse. The ability to conceive a child is not universal amongst all same sex marriages...

This is primarily because you're losing information as you oversimplify the discussion.
 
Absentglare said:
I already did. If you'd like, i can bring you some links that basically say what i've already said- that you're confusing sex with gender ?
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Scientific links? Yeah, go ahead with conclusive scientific FACTS. Research papers, etc. Not some editorial that references something in passing. Thanks.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Scientific links? Yeah, go ahead with conclusive scientific FACTS. Research papers, etc. Not some editorial that references something in passing. Thanks.
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GIS "gender definition"

: "the state of being male or female (typically used in reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies

This is such basic incontrovertible scientific fact that i can't easily find scientific papers spelling out such basics for the digestion of laymen.
 
Absentglare said:
GIS "gender definition"

: "the state of being male or female (typically used in reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies

This is such basic incontrovertible scientific fact that i can't easily find scientific papers spelling out such basics for the digestion of laymen.
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What horse manure. I looked up something even MORE simple. The Flu Vaccine and got a TON of results.

https://www.google.com/search?q=goo...-8&oe=utf-8#q=google+scholar:+the+flu+vaccine

Face it... you have literally no scientific backing of any reputable source. This is all just hippy dippy wishes so that people don't think of them as having a disorder. They do. Just as ADD and BPD are disorders... a man thinking he is a woman is a disorder... one of a MUCH MORE severe standing, as well.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What horse manure. I looked up something even MORE simple. The Flu Vaccine and got a TON of results.

https://www.google.com/search?q=goo...-8&oe=utf-8#q=google+scholar:+the+flu+vaccine

Face it... you have literally no scientific backing of any reputable source. This is all just hippy dippy wishes so that people don't think of them as having a disorder. They do. Just as ADD and BPD are disorders... a man thinking he is a woman is a disorder... one of a MUCH MORE severe standing, as well.
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Dude you are so 110% wrong. It's baffling me. I don't even know what you're denying because you're so incoherent.

Gender Dysphoria: What It Is and How It's Treated

Do you know what gender is ? It's simply a set of social roles. Are you debating that ?

Or are you just trolling me ?
 
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