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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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NonoBadDog said:
My chakras are all freaked out now and it is your fault.
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There is nothing humorous about being trapped in a prison and being on death row. Death is certain.
 
NonoBadDog said:
You really need a sense of humor. Get over it.
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Its not an issue of sense of humor, it is an issue of what is actually taking place. Time, Kala, is destroying everything we are attempting to create as we speak. It is quite a serious subject matter.
 
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MildSteel said:
Its not an issue of sense of humor, it is an issue of what is actually taking place. Time, Kala, is destroying everything we are attempting to create as we speak. It is quite a serious subject matter.
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I don't care.
 
Absentglare said:
There are many different ways to define gender, by genetics, anatomy/biology, or by the mind. Your body and your mind develop at different paces with different hormonal and environmental stimuli. Your genes might predict a different gender than your anatomy. The same is true for your mind.

If you don't understand how someone can be born with male parts and can develop, mentally, as a woman, then i can appreciate that. It's not an intuitive thing.

But psychologists understand that your mind can certainly be stressed by having predominant gender characteristics in opposition to your body.

Biologically, men, women, trans*, hermaphrodites, we're all human beings. The gender characteristics are, potentially, all over the place. So, you can define "biologically male" to make your claim that someone born a man can never be considered a woman, but i consider that to be the result of an immature understanding of gender. Lots of people are on one side or another of the basic spectrum, but that doesn't mean that gender isn't actually a continuum. Binding it down to a binary is an oversimplification. Even a spectrum is a lossy simplification.
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A person can feel whatever they want to feel but that does not negate the fact that they are biologically what they are... a man is a man and a woman is a woman.
 
MildSteel said:
I am not doing anything but telling you the truth. It is not something that I have invented, but it is something that has been understood and verified by learned persons who are completely truthful for quite some time. One day you will understand that what I have said is a fact.
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What you have said is your opinion... nothing more and you are free to take a metaphysically superior stance in some perceived knowledge all that you like.
 
MildSteel said:
There is nothing humorous about being trapped in a prison and being on death row. Death is certain.
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What an absolutely horrible way to view your life. I feel sorry for you. Seriously.

Its not an issue of sense of humor, it is an issue of what is actually taking place. Time, Kala "The Destroyer", is destroying everything we are attempting to create as we speak. It is quite a serious subject matter.
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Fixed that for you...
 
Bodhisattva said:
What you have said is your opinion... nothing more and you are free to take a metaphysically superior stance in some perceived knowledge all that you like.
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No it is not my opinion. It is what has been verified by persons who are actually learned, the REAL Bodhisattvas, for a very long time.
 
MildSteel said:
What? You don't care that your endeavors are being torn down? Amazing.
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I don't care what you think. I don't care what you don't think. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? I don't care if you get hit by a truck. I don't care if you win the lottery. I would care if I found you on my property. There are "No Trespassing" signs posted so don't do that.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What an absolutely horrible way to view your life. I feel sorry for you. Seriously.
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No because what you don't understand is that there is a way out. It is good news that the sentient being is not this body. It is good news that the sentient being can transcend the material condition by following in the footsteps of the REAL Bodhisattvas. It is people, who have no understanding of these things that are to be pitied.

Bodhisattva said:
Fixed that for you...
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You did not FIX anything. Time is the Destroyer. That is the point.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I don't care what you think. I don't care what you don't think. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? I don't care if you get hit by a truck. I don't care if you win the lottery. I would care if I found you on my property. There are "No Trespassing" signs posted so don't do that.
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And??
 
MildSteel said:
No it is not my opinion. It is what has been verified by persons who are actually learned, the REAL Bodhisattvas, for a very long time.
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Then lets see the evidence... or are you just accepting their opinions? :lol:

No because what you don't understand is that there is a way out. It is good news that the sentient being is not this body. It is good news that the sentient being can transcend the material condition by following in the footsteps of the REAL Bodhisattvas. It is people, who have no understanding of these things that are to be pitied.
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You recently read a book on spiritualism... good for you. I can see it was groundbreaking for you... that to is good.

How you view your life as a death sentence though... well, that sucks high teete.

You did not FIX anything. Time is the Destroyer. That is the point.
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No, Time merely is... The Destroyer is The Langoliers.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I don't care what you think. I don't care what you don't think. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? I don't care if you get hit by a truck. I don't care if you win the lottery. I would care if I found you on my property. There are "No Trespassing" signs posted so don't do that.
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C'mon now... you care.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Then lets see the evidence... or are you just accepting their opinions?
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I gave you evidence. You had the body of a baby, it is no longer there but you are still here. Due to the influence of the mundane energy, maya, we cannot see such a simple thing.

Bodhisattva said:
How you view your life as a death sentence though... well, that sucks high teete.
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Wrong. That is temporary mundane life. One does not have to accept such an existence.

Bodhisattva said:
No, Time merely is... The Destroyer is The Langoliers.
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Time exists and is in the process of destroying everything. It is a fact.
 
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? That **** didn't even make sense. It was like the history channel and aliens.
 
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MildSteel said:
At one time you had a baby's body. That body is no longer there, but you, the conscious being who has experienced the change in body, is aware of this experience.
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Bull****. If you're going to take the position that the body changes over time and thus is different, the same applies to mind and spirit as well. Humans do very poorly in flux, it takes a toll on them.

Now, if you wish to rid yourself of your desires you must also give up your desire to be a holy teacher, to be right, AND your desire for an alternate sexual identity.
 
Bodhisattva said:
A person can feel whatever they want to feel but that does not negate the fact that they are biologically what they are... a man is a man and a woman is a woman.
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That's not accurate. What about hermaphrodites ? Are they neither man nor woman, or are they both ? My whole point is that reducing gender into only those two terms is not biologically complete.

Between hormones, adams apple removal surgery, breast implants, a change in body fat, styles, and mannerisms- are you arguing it is impossible to "completely" change your gender or that it's impossible to change your gender in any way ?
 
clownboy said:
Bull****. If you're going to take the position that the body changes over time and thus is different, the same applies to mind and spirit as well. Humans do very poorly in flux, it takes a toll on them.
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You missed what was said earlier in the thread. The sentient being has a body of material elements, such as which have a description from a certain perspective in the periodic table. In addition to that, the sentient being has a "subtle" body. They both are changing, but the sentient being, the actual thing that is aware, is merely observing and exhibits the function of the quality of sentience, although the external and subtle body are changing and are no longer what they were at some point in time.

clownboy said:
Now, if you wish to rid yourself of your desires you must also give up your desire to be a holy teacher, to be right, AND your desire for an alternate sexual identity.
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No desires remain. They must however be purified. Right now we are enamored over what are actually cruel chains that are causing us much suffering. Mundane desires, such as those which arise for the desire to experience sex through mundane senses with no reference to please the Supreme Lord, must be given up. One must desire to please the Supreme Lord, from whom we have come. That desire will give us actual satisfaction. Because only the Supreme Lord is capable of giving us love that is infallible.
 
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MildSteel said:
I gave you evidence. You had the body of a baby, it is no longer there but you are still here. Due to the influence of the mundane energy, maya, we cannot see such a simple thing.



Wrong. That is temporary mundane life. One does not have to accept such an existence.



Time exists and is in the process of destroying everything. It is a fact.
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What a wierd way to seek attention.
 
Henrin said:
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? That **** didn't even make sense. It was like the history channel and aliens.
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It is an act or he is insane. I choose act.
 
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