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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Tsunami said:
People who judge others by their fantasies or desires rather than their actions are garbage. And when they claim they are arguing with facts they are hypocrites.
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And people who fantasize about having sex with children have a very serious and dangerous mental disorder.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
And people who fantasize about having sex with children have a very serious and dangerous mental disorder.
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He's derailing the thread because he wants to fantasize about it.
 
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Unicron said:
He's derailing the thread because he wants to fantasize about it.
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Not really sure about his motivations but the post was one of the more "WTF did I just read?!?!" moments I've had in a while.
 
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Unicron said:
He's derailing the thread because he wants to fantasize about it.
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How come that stupid rabbit takes two hops to get across one way and one hop when going the other? It is level and gravity is the same so what the ****!
 
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Bodhisattva said:
How come that stupid rabbit takes two hops to get across one way and one hop when going the other? It is level and gravity is the same so what the ****!
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Oh he jumps back the other way a bit in the turn around.
 
Unicron said:
Some people are just better at being the opposite sex. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Absolutely. And if they feel better about themselves then that is a bonus.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Absolutely. And if they feel better about themselves then that is a bonus.
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And if they don't then they have to rethink whether it's not for them or if the discrimination has just gotten them down. You see?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
And people who fantasize about having sex with children have a very serious and dangerous mental disorder.
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That's exactly what they used to say about homosexuals.

Bodhisattva said:
You are talking to me so I must assume that you are saying that I am judging people. Put up or shut up. Show where. Thanks! :)
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Bodhisattva said:
No, there is no trap. People that want to have sex with children are ****ed up pieces of garbage.
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That's not judging?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Captain Adverse said:
My answer does not change.

If you are concerned about male musculature, I would think that the transgender hormonal treatments, inexperience with new body configuration, and the fact they would be competing with women who have been training for each sport all their lives would balance it out.
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You would be wrong. Look at MMA. Or Russian Olympian.
 
Tsunami said:
That's exactly what they used to say about homosexuals.
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Consensual sex between adults is not comparable.

That's not judging?
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Oh, yeah. I totally 100% judge pedophiles. They are scum. I was referencing judging homosexuals, transexuals, etc. I don't judge them. Pedophiles? They can all drown for all I care.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are seriously confusing gender anatomy with self-identified gender perception.
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No I am not confusing anything. It's just that your understanding is very superficial. It's just like someone defining the Pope as a person who wears a tall hat, or policeman as someone who wears a certain uniform, while at the same time totally disregarding the important functions and characteristics of a Pope or a policeman.
 
MildSteel said:
No I am not confusing anything. It's just that your understanding is very superficial. It's just like someone defining the Pope as a person who wears a tall hat, or policeman as someone who wears a certain uniform, while at the same time totally disregarding the important functions and characteristics of a Pope or a policeman.
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It isn't anything like defining the Pope or a cop in that manner. You are so confused, and I mean seriously, that this debate is already over.
 
MildSteel said:
No I am not confusing anything. It's just that your understanding is very superficial. It's just like someone defining the Pope as a person who wears a tall hat, or policeman as someone who wears a certain uniform, while at the same time totally disregarding the important functions and characteristics of a Pope or a policeman.
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Explain how a person born a male is biologically not a male. I thought I would give you one more shot. You are lucky.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Explain how a person born a male is biologically not a male. I thought I would give you one more shot. You are lucky.
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Bodhisattva is a Sanskrit term for a person who is actually learned. The first thing that needs to be understood is that there is a difference in the body and the sentient being. Understanding this is the first challenge for people like myself, who are not learned.
 
MildSteel said:
Bodhisattva is a Sanskrit term for a person who is actually learned.
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Not really... bodhisattva is an enlightened being of compassion that's goal is to save others.

The first thing that needs to be understood is that there is a difference in the body and the sentient being.
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That is one theory... one that I do not agree with though.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not really... bodhisattva is an enlightened being of compassion that's goal is to save others.
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No it is so. You cannot save anyone unless you understand the basic truth that there is a difference between the material body and the sentient being. Everything outside of this basic understanding is ignorance and is the basis for the suffering that all of us are currently experiencing in the material world.

Bodhisattva said:
That is one theory... one that I do not agree with though.
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It is not theory, it is fact.
 
MildSteel said:
No it is so. You cannot save anyone unless you understand the basic truth that there is a difference between the material body and the sentient being. Everything outside of this basic understanding is ignorance and is the basis for the suffering that all of us are currently experiencing in the material world.



It is not theory, it is fact.
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Prove it then...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Prove it then...
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At one time you had a baby's body. That body is no longer there, but you, the conscious being who has experienced the change in body, is aware of this experience.
 
MildSteel said:
At one time you had a baby's body. That body is no longer there, but you, the conscious being who has experienced the change in body, is aware of this experience.
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You aren't going to metaphysics your way to a valid and verifiable conclusion...
 
Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165]

Bodhisattva said:
Explain how a person born a male is biologically not a male. I thought I would give you one more shot. You are lucky.
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There are many different ways to define gender, by genetics, anatomy/biology, or by the mind. Your body and your mind develop at different paces with different hormonal and environmental stimuli. Your genes might predict a different gender than your anatomy. The same is true for your mind.

If you don't understand how someone can be born with male parts and can develop, mentally, as a woman, then i can appreciate that. It's not an intuitive thing.

But psychologists understand that your mind can certainly be stressed by having predominant gender characteristics in opposition to your body.

Biologically, men, women, trans*, hermaphrodites, we're all human beings. The gender characteristics are, potentially, all over the place. So, you can define "biologically male" to make your claim that someone born a man can never be considered a woman, but i consider that to be the result of an immature understanding of gender. Lots of people are on one side or another of the basic spectrum, but that doesn't mean that gender isn't actually a continuum. Binding it down to a binary is an oversimplification. Even a spectrum is a lossy simplification.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You aren't going to metaphysics your way to a valid and verifiable conclusion...
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I am not doing anything but telling you the truth. It is not something that I have invented, but it is something that has been understood and verified by learned persons who are completely truthful for quite some time. One day you will understand that what I have said is a fact.
 
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