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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Bodhisattva said:
No. I meant that we agree. We have that. We agree that comparing pedophiles to transgendered is bad because transgendered already have it bad and don't need that negative association.
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It shouldn't BE a negative association. One person is bad because of the way they were born/made while another is good? This is the same trap we've fallen in over race, sex, disability, orientation, and now transgender and pedophilia. It's the same as the immigration issue too, a person is bad because they were born in some distant crappy place instead of being born here? Instead of judging people by things they didn't choose and had no control over we need to realize that we could have been in their shoes, and show some sympathy.
 
Moon said:
Why do you feel that your condescension is superior to other people's condescension?
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I don't feel that way. You don't hear me using rhetoric like "us normal people" and "intelligent people like me." It's a bunch of condescending bull****.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It's not subjective at all. It's a matter of hard, biological science.

A man is an adult human of the male sex.

A woman is an adult human of the female sex.
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All you have done here is to make a subjective value judgement on what defines a man or a woman. That's all you can do.

Bob Blaylock said:
Not only is this objective and “universally acceptable”, but it is, in fact, and has always been, universally accepted,
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You don't know a damn thing about what has always happened. You don't even know exactly what you were doing at this time a year ago, much less what has ALWAYS been universally accepted. Please cut the crap and save that for childish people who don't know any better.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Tsunami said:
It shouldn't BE a negative association. One person is bad because of the way they were born/made while another is good? This is the same trap we've fallen in over race, sex, disability, orientation, and now transgender and pedophilia. It's the same as the immigration issue too, a person is bad because they were born in some distant crappy place instead of being born here? Instead of judging people by things they didn't choose and had no control over we need to realize that we could have been in their shoes, and show some sympathy.
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Are you pedophile? Because you really seem obsessed with them. You are derailing the thread in order to discuss them.
 
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Unicron said:
Are you pedophile? Because you really seem obsessed with them. You are derailing the thread in order to discuss them.
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Would't that be you right now?
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are talking about how the person feels, or self-identifies. I am talking about biology.
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You are talking about how you feel about what is a man and what is a woman. That is not biology. For example it is biological to say that the human body is made of cells. However, to say that the cells of a white blond are prettier than the cells of a red head is simply a matter of biological facts, is a stupid, subjective value judgement, although it makes a reference to the biological fact that the body is made of cells. Get it?
 
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Tsunami said:
It's the same as the immigration issue too, a person is bad because they were born in some distant crappy place instead of being born here? Instead of judging people by things they didn't choose and had no control over we need to realize that we could have been in their shoes, and show some sympathy.
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People aren't "bad" because they were born in Mexico and not even bad for illegally immigrating... but they did illegally immigrate.

It shouldn't BE a negative association. One person is bad because of the way they were born/made while another is good? This is the same trap we've fallen in over race, sex, disability, orientation, and now transgender and pedophilia.
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No, there is no trap. People that want to have sex with children are ****ed up pieces of garbage.
 
MildSteel said:
You are talking about how you feel about what is a man and what is a woman. That is not biology. For example it is biological to say that the human body is made of cells. However, to say that the cells of a white blond are prettier than the cells of a red head is simply a matter of biological facts, is a stupid, subjective value judgement, although it makes a reference to the biological fact that the body is made of cells. Get it?
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You don't know how to debate very well. Sorry, just true. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. A blonde is a blonde.

YOU made it subjective by introducing "prettier" which is subjective.

I am keeping it objective by sticking to observable and definable FACTS.
 
MildSteel said:
I explained what is wrong with this lame reasoning in the previous post.
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Nope. You displayed that you don't understand the difference between subjectivity and objectivity...
 
Bodhisattva said:
You don't know how to debate very well. Sorry, just true. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. A blonde is a blonde.

YOU made it subjective by introducing "prettier" which is subjective.

I am keeping it objective by sticking to observable and definable FACTS.
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I think this current spike in transgender instances will probably recede. It could easily be like the tattoo faze of the late 90s early millennia. That all went away and now only some people get them. There was an age group there for a while where everyone was getting them. Must have got them lasered off.

The vast majority of transgendered people actually reverse their transition. A fact that trans-Politicals will go to immense deciet and depravity to cover up.

when the current craze is over, I think it will be only kind to treat the real ones as women because of all the **** the bruce jenners have put them through in this time by bringing unnecessary and unwanted attention to them in this time. It's a cruel thing to politicize such a tremendously vulnerable group.

Treat them as female. It'll simmer down, you'll see.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Bodhisattva said:
You don't know how to debate very well. Sorry, just true. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. A blonde is a blonde.

YOU made it subjective by introducing "prettier" which is subjective.

I am keeping it objective by sticking to observable and definable FACTS.
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Bodhisattva said:
People aren't "bad" because they were born in Mexico and not even bad for illegally immigrating... but they did illegally immigrate.

No, there is no trap. People that want to have sex with children are ****ed up pieces of garbage.
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People who judge others by their fantasies or desires rather than their actions are garbage. And when they claim they are arguing with facts they are hypocrites.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Your Star said:
No brainier, absolutely.
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No brainer...

Absolutely no!

So you have this 22 year old male, gone fully through puberty, well developed strong muscles and dense bones from years of male hormones. Becomes a woman, and wants to be in a woman's sports team.

Is this an advantage that should be tolerated?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes of course they should. The only exceptions should be in certain sporting events at the elite level, particularly endurance sports where they might have a physical unfair advantage. Other than that rare case, they should be treated like women under the law.
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OMG...

We actually agree on something?

Mark this day!
 
MildSteel said:
I don't feel that way. You don't hear me using rhetoric like "us normal people" and "intelligent people like me." It's a bunch of condescending bull****.
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You should read your posts more closely.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Lord of Planar said:
No brainer...

Absolutely no!

So you have this 22 year old male, gone fully through puberty, well developed strong muscles and dense bones from years of male hormones. Becomes a woman, and wants to be in a woman's sports team.

Is this an advantage that should be tolerated?
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no it shouldn't. But everything else they should br treated female, because of female hormone levels which decreases muscle mass, endurance an aggression. Not to mention that living as a female conditions one into being more feminine. It'd be a mean shock for a lady to be treated female every day but then get treated as a man by the cops when she reports being sexually assaulted.

oh and esrtrogen affects the brain too btw.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Tsunami said:
People who judge others by their fantasies or desires rather than their actions are garbage. And when they claim they are arguing with facts they are hypocrites.
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You are talking to me so I must assume that you are saying that I am judging people. Put up or shut up. Show where. Thanks! :)
 
Bodhisattva said:
A man is a man. A woman is a woman. A blonde is a blonde.

YOU made it subjective by introducing "prettier" which is subjective.
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I hope you will listen to what I am going to say because it is the truth. You may or may not understand this now, but at some point you will. Besides, even if you don't now, perhaps someone reading this will. There is quite a bit more to the experience of being a woman than just having a vagina. This is so because the truth of the matter is that there is the sentient being that is functioning externally through a gross body composed of skin, bones, etc. but also another type of body, not composed of the gross elements, of which his mind is a part. In truth, the sentient being is aware of the activity of his mind. The organs that facilitate his gross sense perception, such as his eyes, communicate with him through his mind, which helps to facilitate the presentation to the sentient being of a reality that is organized so that he can try to fulfill his desires. This mind is different from the gross body, and this can be demonstrated by the fact that the sentient being experiences dreams while asleep in which he experiences conditions that can be quite different from the state that his gross body is in while he is asleep and having such dreams. In addition to the sentient being receiving input from his gross senses, he is also under the influence of another part of his "subtle" body which is his ego. It is from here where the sentient being receives input that gives him a sense of identity. And it is here where the conception of "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is rooted. As a result of this, your criteria of merely using genitalia is very flawed. It is not deep enough, and that is not your fault. It is a result of the flawed system of education in modern human society. That is the result of poor leadership.
 
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Moon said:
You should read your posts more closely.
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The posts I have made over the last couple of days in this threads are responses to condescension. That said, the truth is that I am not above it, but I don't think that when I actually engage in such that it elevates me to some position that is better than others. Rather I see it as one of my many flaws.
 
MildSteel said:
I hope you will listen to what I am going to say because it is the truth. You may or may not understand this now, but at some point you will. Besides, even if you don't now, perhaps someone reading this will. There is quite a bit more to the experience of being a woman than just having a vagina. This is so because the truth of the matter is that there is the sentient being that is functioning externally through a gross body composed of skin, bones, etc. but also another type of body, not composed of the gross elements, of which his mind is a part. In truth, the sentient being is aware of the activity of his mind. The organs that facilitate his gross sense perception, such as his eyes, communicate with him through his mind, which helps to facilitate the presentation to the sentient being of a reality that is organized so that he can try to fulfill his desires. This mind is different from the gross body, and this can be demonstrated by the fact that the sentient being experiences dreams while asleep in which he experiences conditions that can be quite different from the state that his gross body is in while he is asleep and having such dreams. In addition to the sentient being receiving input from his gross senses, he is also under the influence of another part of his "subtle" body which is his ego. It is from here where the sentient being receives input that gives him a sense of identity. And it is here where the conception of "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is rooted. As a result of this, your criteria of merely using genitalia is very flawed. It is not deep enough, and that is not your fault. It is a result of the flawed system of education in modern human society. That is the result of poor leadership.
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Well you'd have to be copernicus to understand that post but I'd probably agree if I knew what it was about.
 
MildSteel said:
I hope you will listen to what I am going to say because it is the truth. You may or may not understand this now, but at some point you will. Besides, even if you don't now, perhaps someone reading this will. There is quite a bit more to the experience of being a woman than just having a vagina. This is so because the truth of the matter is that there is the sentient being that is functioning externally through a gross body composed of skin, bones, etc. but also another type of body, not composed of the gross elements, of which his mind is a part. In truth, the sentient being is aware of the activity of his mind. The organs that facilitate his gross sense perception, such as his eyes, communicate with him through his mind, which helps to facilitate the presentation to the sentient being of a reality that is organized so that he can try to fulfill his desires. This mind is different from the gross body, and this can be demonstrated by the fact that the sentient being experiences dreams while asleep in which he experiences conditions that can be quite different from the state that his gross body is in while he is asleep and having such dreams. In addition to the sentient being receiving input from his gross senses, he is also under the influence of another part of his "subtle" body which is his ego. It is from here where the sentient being receives input that gives him a sense of identity. And it is here where the conception of "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is rooted. As a result of this, your criteria of merely using genitalia is very flawed. It is not deep enough, and that is not your fault. It is a result of the flawed system of education in modern human society. That is the result of poor leadership.
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I am not sure how, but I am confident that you could be more wrong. Biologically a female is a female. This is just a fact. The mature female is a woman. You are seriously confusing gender anatomy with self-identified gender perception. A person can feel they are whatever they want but that does not change their factual anatomy.

Can't be any more simple than that.
 
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