Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Nicci · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
Helping someone on your own free will is noble and something to admire, but forcing your fellow human being to help others is contemptible behavior that should be scorned and condemned.

No it shouldn't, we help people all the time with our tax dollars, roads, security, mail, and even help with groceries. Not to mention all the transplants(organs) the government pays for.

Not having empathy for your fellow human in a society is what brings that society to a ruin.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
No it shouldn't, we help people all the time with our tax dollars, roads, security, mail, and even help with groceries. Not to mention all the transplants(organs) the government pays for.

Not having empathy for your fellow human in a society is what brings that society to a ruin.

Government is not society. Society is the people themselves; government is the body that rules over a given society. Empathy and taxes are just as opposed to each other as poison and health, or in the case of this thread, sex change operations and curing transgenderism. Forcing people to do what you want is not empathetic, but self-righteous bullying. If you want to be compassionate, empathic and all of that good stuff then you should help the poor, not vote for the government to use its domain of force to make other people do it for you.

Nicci · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
Government is not society. Society is the people themselves; government is the body that rules over a given society. Empathy and taxes are just as opposed to each other as poison and health, or in the case of this thread, sex change operations and curing transgenderism. Forcing people to do what you want is not empathetic, but self-righteous bullying. If you want to be compassionate, empathic and all of that good stuff then you should help the poor, not vote for the government to use its domain of force to make other people do it for you.

This is where we disagree, government is society. Setting the rules or not does not make it not part of society. That is how successful societies run, the government or ruling body helps the welfare of the entire society. When that breaks down or becomes corrupted does that society collapse.

Like I said before " Basically you don't like it, its icky, and you don't want to change your sex. That is fine, no one is going to make you. I'm glad you don't have to deal with what a transsexual has to deal with on a daily basis. There is a reason the suicide rate is so high.".

That's fine, but don't think a lot of us don't see through it to the heart of the matter.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
This is where we disagree, government is society. Setting the rules or not does not make it not part of society. That is how successful societies run, the government or ruling body helps the welfare of the entire society. When that breaks down or becomes corrupted does that society collapse.

Government can not possibly be society. Government is what the people are ruled under if they like it or not; society is all the people of society and will exist regardless of what government there happens to be ruling over it.

Like I said before " Basically you don't like it, its icky, and you don't want to change your sex. That is fine, no one is going to make you. I'm glad you don't have to deal with what a transsexual has to deal with on a daily basis. There is a reason the suicide rate is so high.".

That's fine, but don't think a lot of us don't see through it to the heart of the matter.

The heart of the matter is that no one can change their sex and sex change operations are extremely damaging to healthy body parts of very desperate patients. To demand people pay for an operation that is medically unethical can't possibly be seen in any other way than unjust and unwarranted.

And I don't like it, and yes, it's pretty gross and disturbing that dudes are running around looking like women and trying to date straight men. Sorry, but that is pretty ****ing gross. Also, I think you meant transgenders have to deal with everyday, not transsexuals have to deal with everyday.

Nicci · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
Government can not possibly be society. Government is what the people are ruled under if they like it or not; society is all the people of society and will exist regardless of what government there happens to be ruling over it.

It is as much a part of the society as anything else to help the society

Henrin said:
The heart of the matter is that no one can change their sex and sex change operations are extremely damaging to healthy body parts of very desperate patients. To demand people pay for an operation that is medically unethical can't possibly be seen in any other way than unjust and unwarranted.

And I don't like it, and yes, it's pretty gross and disturbing that dudes are running around looking like women and trying to date straight men. Sorry, but that is pretty ****ing gross. Also, I think you meant transgenders have to deal with everyday, not transsexuals have to deal with everyday.

People can and do change their sex, its currently a lot easier for MtF to change their sex than FtM but that'll change in the next ten years. The surgery is no more unethical than someone getting a transplant for a new organ. I know you don't see it that way but that is how it works.

I mean transsexuals, transgender is a giant umbrella of possibilities that people can fall under. Transsexuals actively change their sex, through hormones and surgery. They are transgendered individuals as much as a drag queen/king is under the same umbrella.

I think you'd do well to actually meet a transsexual, but you probably have and didn't know it. While they aren't a high percentage of the population, as they are a minority of a minority, it is no different than meeting someone who is gay and not knowing it. Not everyone fits a mold of "flamboyant". You are probably picturing cross dressers instead of transsexuals in your head, and I can't fault you for that, but they are not the same.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
It is as much a part of the society as anything else to help the society

People can and do change their sex, its currently a lot easier for MtF to change their sex than FtM but that'll change in the next ten years. The surgery is no more unethical than someone getting a transplant for a new organ. I know you don't see it that way but that is how it works.

Your confusing gender with sex. They can not change their sex, but since gender is a socially created word they can change their gender according to some people like yourself. I happen to disagree since I associate someones gender with their sex, but other people just associate gender with appearance, so whatever.

Getting an organ transplant is ethical since the organ in question being removed is in need of medical treatment and if not acted on the patient will die, while sex change operations involve acting on healthy body parts and damaging them beyond repair. They are not at all comparable, sorry.

I mean transsexuals, transgender is a giant umbrella of possibilities that people can fall under. Transsexuals actively change their sex, through hormones and surgery. They are transgendered individuals as much as a drag queen/king is under the same umbrella.

A drag queen is not necessarily a transgender, so that doesn't make much sense. Transsexual is used as you said for people that started hormone treatment at the very least, transgender can be used for both people that started treatment and those that didn't.

I think you'd do well to actually meet a transsexual, but you probably have and didn't know it. While they aren't a high percentage of the population, as they are a minority of a minority, it is no different than meeting someone who is gay and not knowing it. Not everyone fits a mold of "flamboyant". You are probably picturing cross dressers instead of transsexuals in your head, and I can't fault you for that, but they are not the same.

No, I'm picturing someone that looks like a woman well enough to play the part. I'm not one of those people foolish enough to believe hormone treatment and the surgery are not enough to fool people into believing a lie.

And I have no interest in meeting a transsexual in real life, but I have more than once online. For me anyway, that is more than enough.

Nicci · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
Your confusing gender with sex. They can not change their sex, but since gender is a socially created word they can change their gender according to some people like yourself. I happen to disagree since I associate someones gender with their sex, but other people just associate gender with appearance, so whatever.

No I'm not confusing gender with sex. There is a medical letter attached to getting the SRS and it specificaly states "changed from biologically male/female to non-fertile female/male". Like I said, you don't like it, fine but you have no right to deny someone who is in pain.

Henrin said:
Getting an organ transplant is ethical since the organ in question being removed is in need of medical treatment and if not acted on the patient will die, while sex change operations involve acting on healthy body parts and damaging them beyond repair. They are not at all comparable, sorry.

Completely the same and comparable. You don't like it because of your own internal bias, fine but the fact you don't see someone who is willing to take their life as deserving is kind of disappointing. You clearly have never felt what they do on a regular basis.

Henrin said:
A drag queen is not necessarily a transgender, so that doesn't make much sense. Transsexual is used as you said for people that started hormone treatment at the very least, transgender can be used for both people that started treatment and those that didn't.

A drag queen/king fits under the transgender umbrella, even if they do it for entertainment.
GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender Issues | GLAAD

Henrin said:
No, I'm picturing someone that looks like a woman well enough to play the part. I'm not one of those people foolish enough to believe hormone treatment and the surgery are not enough to fool people into believing a lie.
And I have no interest in meeting a transsexual in real life, but I have more than once online. For me anyway, that is more than enough.

I bet you have met one in real life and didn't know it. Hundreds of thousands of people do every day and don't know it (3% of 10% of population is pretty small though so if you are in a rural community that might make it harder but visit a larger city and you have). That discrimination is exactly what we are trying to eliminate. I understand change is uncomfortable, but sometimes you have to endure to make society better, we've done it every decade for thousands of years. Sometimes going backwards, but its worked and will continue to do so as technology evolves around us.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
No I'm not confusing gender with sex. There is a medical letter attached to getting the SRS and it specificaly states "changed from biologically male/female to non-fertile female/male". Like I said, you don't like it, fine but you have no right to deny someone who is in pain.

That's pretty interesting, but it's biologically wrong. It's a bit disturbing doctors would lie like that, but then again, the field those doctors are in is known to be highly unethical.

Completely the same and comparable. You don't like it because of your own internal bias, fine but the fact you don't see someone who is willing to take their life as deserving is kind of disappointing. You clearly have never felt what they do on a regular basis.

No, it's really not. The genitals of a transgender are fully functional and healthy before surgery, but after surgery are impaired and reversibly harmed. Someone that needs a liver transplant is suffering from a condition where their liver will kill them if not removed and replaced with a suitable replacement. The ethical implications and the surgeries themselves are not comparable in the slightest.

A drag queen/king fits under the transgender umbrella, even if they do it for entertainment.
GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender Issues | GLAAD

A drag queen is someone that dresses like someone from the opposite sex, not someone that necessarily that is conflicted about their sex.

I bet you have met one in real life and didn't know it. Hundreds of thousands of people do every day and don't know it (3% of 10% of population is pretty small though so if you are in a rural community that might make it harder but visit a larger city and you have). That discrimination is exactly what we are trying to eliminate. I understand change is uncomfortable, but sometimes you have to endure to make society better, we've done it every decade for thousands of years. Sometimes going backwards, but its worked and will continue to do so as technology evolves around us.

I see no reason to adopt for a treatment that is unethical and does not properly treat the condition. :shrug: I will also NOT accept men as women regardless of their efforts. Call it what you want, but women are women and men are men. Stop trying to pretend you are something you are not and I will accept you. I accept transgenders, but transsexuals I will never accept, sorry. Fakes are fakes and I refuse to accept a falsehood.

And three to ten percent is for all LBGT community, not just transsexuals.

Nicci · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
That's pretty interesting, but it's biologically wrong. It's a bit disturbing doctors would lie like that, but then again, the field those doctors are in is known to be highly unethical.

It's not wrong at all. There are lot of medical conditions that can cause this. There is nothing unethical about it other than your own personal bias, again.

Henrin said:
No, it's really not. The genitals of a transgender are fully functional and healthy before surgery, but after surgery are impaired and reversibly harmed. Someone that needs a liver transplant is suffering from a condition where their liver will kill them if not removed and replaced with a suitable replacement. The ethical implications and the surgeries themselves are not comparable in the slightest.

Yet the news is filled with people killing themselves due to lack of hope of correcting their situation via SRS/Hormones. Transsexuals have the highest suicide risk in this nation, and there is no reason for it, other than discrimination. Not all transsexuals have fully functioning genitalia, which is also something you probably didn't know. Human chromosomes like to break and mess with our genetic code all the time. That's why we have mutations of the genome, like being left handed, green eyes, red hair, and etc. We are only beginning to understand what each set does and in 10 to 20 years this silly back woods approach to people different will be gone.

Henrin said:
A drag queen is someone that dresses like someone from the opposite sex, not someone that necessarily that is conflicted about their sex.

I never said they were interested in changing their sex, I said they fell under the transgendered umbrella, just like cross dressers, and gender queer (intersex) etc.

Henrin said:
I see no reason to adopt for a treatment that is unethical and does not properly treat the condition. :shrug: I will also NOT accept men as women regardless of their efforts. Call it what you want, but women are women and men are men. Stop trying to pretend you are something you are not and I will accept you. I accept transgenders, but transsexuals I will never accept, sorry. Fakes are fakes and I refuse to accept a falsehood.

And three to ten percent is for all LBGT community, not just transsexuals.

There is nothing fake about being transsexual, again person bias against someone. Its nothing more, but if you knew someone who was transsexual you'd probably be more open. That is how homosexuality has gained defenders in the past year. Once you realize it is something that cannot be changed and it is pretty biological people realize its dumb to punish someone for something as silly as being left handed.

I say 3 % of the 10% of the LGBT population. So you have a population of 10,000. Approximately 1,000 people will be gay, and 3% of those 1,000 people may be transsexual. (30). Which is why I mentioned in a rural area it'd be pretty hard to meet someone like that to help remove the bias you have. If you go to a larger city though, or frequently go to one. I'm sure you've interacted with a transsexual and never known it.

Bob Blaylock · Apr 25, 2015

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Henrin said:
Helping someone on your own free will is noble and something to admire, but forcing your fellow human being to help others is contemptible behavior that should be scorned and condemned.

I don't know that this is always true, but it is certainly true when the “help” being rendered is something as sick and destructive as what “transgenders” insist on having done to them; and which the vast majority of those being here asked to “help” with this would want no part of.

paddymcdougall · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
It's not wrong at all. There are lot of medical conditions that can cause this. There is nothing unethical about it other than your own personal bias, again.

Yet the news is filled with people killing themselves due to lack of hope of correcting their situation via SRS/Hormones. Transsexuals have the highest suicide risk in this nation, and there is no reason for it, other than discrimination. Not all transsexuals have fully functioning genitalia, which is also something you probably didn't know. Human chromosomes like to break and mess with our genetic code all the time. That's why we have mutations of the genome, like being left handed, green eyes, red hair, and etc. We are only beginning to understand what each set does and in 10 to 20 years this silly back woods approach to people different will be gone.

I never said they were interested in changing their sex, I said they fell under the transgendered umbrella, just like cross dressers, and gender queer (intersex) etc.

There is nothing fake about being transsexual, again person bias against someone. Its nothing more, but if you knew someone who was transsexual you'd probably be more open. That is how homosexuality has gained defenders in the past year. Once you realize it is something that cannot be changed and it is pretty biological people realize its dumb to punish someone for something as silly as being left handed.

I say 3 % of the 10% of the LGBT population. So you have a population of 10,000. Approximately 1,000 people will be gay, and 3% of those 1,000 people may be transsexual. (30). Which is why I mentioned in a rural area it'd be pretty hard to meet someone like that to help remove the bias you have. If you go to a larger city though, or frequently go to one. I'm sure you've interacted with a transsexual and never known it.

Hi, Nicci - Henrin and Blaylock are hopeless. They have no clue what it means to be transgender. I don't know if Bruce Jenner coming out will help them understand or not. Thank you for your comments. I know transgender people, and that does make a difference. As you say, it's like being left-handed. We used to force left-handers to write with their right hand. That was wrong. And it's wrong to force people to be a gender that isn't theirs.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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paddymcdougall said:
Hi, Nicci - Henrin and Blaylock are hopeless. They have no clue what it means to be transgender. I don't know if Bruce Jenner coming out will help them understand or not. Thank you for your comments. I know transgender people, and that does make a difference. As you say, it's like being left-handed. We used to force left-handers to write with their right hand. That was wrong. And it's wrong to force people to be a gender that isn't theirs.

Ahem..there is no solid proof they were actually born into the wrong body. The only real evidence that I have seen is brain chemistry arguments that don't account for people with the same brain chemistry but aren't transgender.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Nicci said:
It's not wrong at all. There are lot of medical conditions that can cause this. There is nothing unethical about it other than your own personal bias, again.

No, factually it is wrong to say they changed sexes. You can make the gender argument because gender is subjective, but that isn't true for sex.

Yet the news is filled with people killing themselves due to lack of hope of correcting their situation via SRS/Hormones.

Yeah?

Transsexuals have the highest suicide risk in this nation, and there is no reason for it, other than discrimination.

If you say so. Maybe they should consider making a choice that doesn't amount to deception and lies. :shrug:

Not all transsexuals have fully functioning genitalia, which is also something you probably didn't know.

True. It was a general statement, so of course there will be exceptions.

Human chromosomes like to break and mess with our genetic code all the time.

The evidence of this being relevant to transgenders is?

That's why we have mutations of the genome, like being left handed, green eyes, red hair, and etc. We are only beginning to understand what each set does and in 10 to 20 years this silly back woods approach to people different will be gone.

There is actually known reasons for those kind of things though.

I never said they were interested in changing their sex, I said they fell under the transgendered umbrella, just like cross dressers, and gender queer (intersex) etc.

That's nice that GLAAD included them I guess. I don't see why I would care though.

There is nothing fake about being transsexual, again person bias against someone. Its nothing more, but if you knew someone who was transsexual you'd probably be more open.

Probably not. I'm kind of a stubborn asshole.

There is also a considerable amount of fakeness in being a transsexual. They are essentially men parading around like they are women. They are by all intents and purposes a counterfeit.

That is how homosexuality has gained defenders in the past year. Once you realize it is something that cannot be changed and it is pretty biological people realize its dumb to punish someone for something as silly as being left handed.

My adopted uncle is gay. Finding that information out didn't change my opinion on the subject in the slightest.

I say 3 % of the 10% of the LGBT population. So you have a population of 10,000. Approximately 1,000 people will be gay, and 3% of those 1,000 people may be transsexual. (30). Which is why I mentioned in a rural area it'd be pretty hard to meet someone like that to help remove the bias you have. If you go to a larger city though, or frequently go to one. I'm sure you've interacted with a transsexual and never known it.

Maybe, but I'm usually pretty reserved and don't talk to people all that much in real life. Funny how I'm a loud mouth on here I guess.

Manc Skipper · Apr 25, 2015

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It's interesting that the intolerance ends to come from the right politically, and against M/F trans people. Nobody has railed aginst F/M trans people invading restrooms and locker-rooms, in the many threads on the topic.

Henrin · Apr 25, 2015

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Manc Skipper said:
It's interesting that the intolerance ends to come from the right politically, and against M/F trans people. Nobody has railed aginst F/M trans people invading restrooms and locker-rooms, in the many threads on the topic.

That's because the opposing surgery sucks and no one usually makes the argument they can change sexes.

Bob Blaylock · Apr 25, 2015

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Manc Skipper said:
It's interesting that the intolerance ends to come from the right politically, and against M/F trans people. Nobody has railed aginst [sic] F/M trans people invading restrooms and locker-rooms, in the many threads on the topic.

Not really surprising.

The whole “transgender” movement is about denying basic differences between male and female, and suggesting a much higher degree of interchangeability and indistinction between them.

But the truth is that men are different from women, in fundamental, unalterable ways. Among these is that men tend to be bigger, stronger, more aggressive, and more sexually-driven. Aside from basic issues of modesty and propriety, the separation of restrooms, dressing rooms, and such by sex is to protect women from sexual aggression by men, in the situations where women are left most vulnerable. There is much less need to protect men from such aggression from women.

Aside from that, the prominent incidents that have come to public attention involving inappropriate invasions of “transgenders” into opposite-sex facilities have nearly all been men pretending to be women, invading women's-only facilities; and not women pretending to be men and invading men's facilities. Either the latter is happening much less frequently, or they are doing so more discretely.

Manc Skipper · Apr 26, 2015

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Henrin said:
That's because the opposing surgery sucks and no one usually makes the argument they can change sexes.

They make precisely the same argument but in the opposite gender direction. Why does that not raise reactionary hackles? Male transgenders are much more likely to be able to see your junk, but none of you seem to mind, saving all concern for the wimminfolk.

Henrin · Apr 26, 2015

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Manc Skipper said:
They make precisely the same argument but in the opposite gender direction. Why does that not raise reactionary hackles? Male transgenders are much more likely to be able to see your junk, but none of you seem to mind, saving all concern for the wimminfolk.

Well, I have only seen a few posters make the same argument in the opposite direction and when they did I responded in the same fashion as I would if they were making the claim about MTF's. Usually however they don't focus on FTM's, so I don't either. :shrug:

paddymcdougall · Apr 26, 2015

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Manc Skipper said:
It's interesting that the intolerance ends to come from the right politically, and against M/F trans people. Nobody has railed aginst F/M trans people invading restrooms and locker-rooms, in the many threads on the topic.

My guess is those who have railed against transgenders are mostly male, and they fear they might find a M/F trans person attractive, which would blow out all their prior conceptions and they can't handle that.

Henrin · Apr 26, 2015

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paddymcdougall said:
My guess is those who have railed against transgenders are mostly male, and they fear they might find a M/F trans person attractive, which would blow out all their prior conceptions and they can't handle that.

You will notice that I have said repeatedly that hormone treatment can make a male look like a female to the point where a straight male can find them attractive. You will also notice that I consider such a thing a problem because it is a form of deception.

Nicci · Apr 26, 2015

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Henrin said:
No, factually it is wrong to say they changed sexes. You can make the gender argument because gender is subjective, but that isn't true for sex.
Yeah?
If you say so. Maybe they should consider making a choice that doesn't amount to deception and lies. :shrug:
True. It was a general statement, so of course there will be exceptions.
The evidence of this being relevant to transgenders is?
There is actually known reasons for those kind of things though.
That's nice that GLAAD included them I guess. I don't see why I would care though.
Probably not. I'm kind of a stubborn asshole. There is also a considerable amount of fakeness in being a transsexual. They are essentially men parading around like they are women. They are by all intents and purposes a counterfeit.
My adopted uncle is gay. Finding that information out didn't change my opinion on the subject in the slightest.
Maybe, but I'm usually pretty reserved and don't talk to people all that much in real life. Funny how I'm a loud mouth on here I guess.

It is no more a choice than being left handed or green eyed or red hair. They are mutations in the genome and its becoming pretty well known. I understand that you probably don't seek out this type of information especially since it hurts your opinion when we start discussing facts, but here is one of the studies (many) that are going on regarding biological wiring that is different when it comes to transsexuals.
http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Se...ty,_Transsexualism_and_Sexual_Orientation.pdf
Not surprising since all humans start as female that pesky Y chromosome is potentially the cause of transsexuality.
Adopted uncle is not the same as brother, sister, grandparent etc. Or even a close friend.
You might not talk to a lot of people IRL but that doesn't mean you haven't interacted with someone who is transsexual in your life, unless you live in a rural area.

Nicci · Apr 26, 2015

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Bob Blaylock said:
Not really surprising.
The whole “transgender” movement is about denying basic differences between male and female, and suggesting a much higher degree of interchangeability and indistinction between them.

But the truth is that men are different from women, in fundamental, unalterable ways. Among these is that men tend to be bigger, stronger, more aggressive, and more sexually-driven. Aside from basic issues of modesty and propriety, the separation of restrooms, dressing rooms, and such by sex is to protect women from sexual aggression by men, in the situations where women are left most vulnerable. There is much less need to protect men from such aggression from women.

Not true at all regarding transsexuality. Everything you've just posted is complete BS.

Bob Blaylock · Apr 26, 2015

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Henrin said:
You will notice that I have said repeatedly that hormone treatment can make a male look like a female to the point where a straight male can find them attractive. You will also notice that I consider such a thing a problem because it is a form of deception.

You realize, of course, that you're using that as an argument against a position that is based entirely on deception and delusion, right?

Someone who is OK with telling the world that male is female, and female is male—that the two sexes are interchangeable and the distinction between them is meaningless—isn't going to be put off by an extra layer of deception that stems from that position. It's really no stretch from even the most basic pro-transsexual position to think that there must be something wrong with any man who wants a relationship with a real woman and is unwilling to accept a mutilated man pretending to be a woman as a substitute.

Bob Blaylock · Apr 26, 2015

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Nicci said:
Not true at all regarding transsexuality. Everything you've just posted is complete BS.

Everything I have said on the subject is completely true and obvious, to anyone who hasn't been deceived by the lies and delusion surrounding the mental and moral illness that is transsexualism.

Those of us who are sane are not under any obligation to play along with the sickness and delusions of those who are insane. There is no benefit to doing so.

Henrin · Apr 26, 2015

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Nicci said:
It is no more a choice than being left handed or green eyed or red hair. They are mutations in the genome and its becoming pretty well known. I understand that you probably don't seek out this type of information especially since it hurts your opinion when we start discussing facts, but here is one of the studies (many) that are going on regarding biological wiring that is different when it comes to transsexuals.
http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Se...ty,_Transsexualism_and_Sexual_Orientation.pdf
Not surprising since all humans start as female that pesky Y chromosome is potentially the cause of transsexuality.
Adopted uncle is not the same as brother, sister, grandparent etc. Or even a close friend.
You might not talk to a lot of people IRL but that doesn't mean you haven't interacted with someone who is transsexual in your life, unless you live in a rural area.

Chromosomal abnormalities in transsexuals is hardly something you can at this point consider a consistent or something characteristic of transgenderism. The conclusion they seem to reach that a few reported cases of Chromosomal abnormalities in transgenders means there is any sort of cause and effect appears to then be extremely premature.

Also, the Y chromosome not being active does not mean that everyone starts off as female.

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