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Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?


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If you wanted to, yes, farming would be accessible to all though, one wouldn't hoard food for themselves, unless their already is a massive surplus. You wouldn't have private ownership of land that can be used to benefit others, but you need to understand you would be able to hunt, fish..

oh?...then what is your enforcement to stop me from hording?....holding land?


There is nothing to enforce, it is a stateless society with collective ownership of production, things like farms, factories, lakes.. You seem to like guns alot, as do I, have quite a few myself, people would be able to "enforce" the idea of not killing others, stealing other's PROPERTY, apart from the means of production.. Again, communism is when the workers, the people, live in a society without any state leadership.
 
Horsecrap

socialism is the plaint of failures or the greedy who wish to gain power by pandering to them

You don't even know what socialism is. Horse crap? You deny that Martin luther king, albert einstein, nelson mandela (Although he was a communist..) were socialist minded? Socialism is for the greedy? Are you serious? Socialism advocates giving the workers equal ownership of the work places they work in, not just a capitalist owning it for his own profit.
 
oh?...then what is your enforcement to stop me from hording?....holding land?

First of all, why would you want to own a farm for yourself if no profit motive exists, when you can collectively share and work together with others?
 
what do capitalist do without regulation?... and when have we ever seen a time of no regulation?

and really... durign this alleged time of no regulation.. .why did we not revert back to feudalism like you say we would?

A state existed, although the state essentially put no regulations on capitalism, we're talking about anarcho-capitalism here.
Capitalists without regulation?
Hong Kong
Pre-regulation America
The Congo
Haiti
Nicaragua, to name a few.
 
No, it really wouldn't. Without the ability to control the sale of competing products there is no way to build an empire.

You would control the sale by lowering prices to where competitor's can't compete, many other ways.
 
First I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.



Again I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.



I totally agree
, no different than Obama investing in solar and the like. But I have no problem with protest, million man marches, lobbyist etc etc trying to speak out for their special interest. That is their right. I understand from your comments you want to ban these groups from speaking out on their behalf. Further these groups are not the power of government and some are well financed and some are not and they can be on the different side of an issue.

This is no different than you wanting to protect the constitution against others wanting to ignore it. Thus you have two lobbyist groups, one trying to insure it and the other trying to ignore it. We also have a third branch of government called the judicial.

http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch105/T105-7.php

I didn't say I don't agree with lobbying, I said lobbying for special interest in terms of governmental fiscal policy to support specific firms, like bailouts, or trade protection.

How does big pharmaceutical asking for subsidies ignore the constitution? Because it's asking for an econOmic tax break from a institution that doesn't have that constitutional power.
 
First of all, why would you want to own a farm for yourself if no profit motive exists, when you can collectively share and work together with others?

say i want to be by myself off on 500 acres of land and grow my own food and hunt and fish land with no one around, because its just what i want to do........you are telling me i can't do it, and i asking what is you enforcement?
 
posting two links about people does not prove anything...........how did socialism build factories?

Who do you think actually built the factories? The capitalist who sits back and watches laborers work all day? I'm not talking about socialism, I'm giving a reason as to why socialism is justified for the workers.
 
You would control the sale by lowering prices to where competitor's can't compete, many other ways.

That involves having an advantage from the start that largely exists because of the protection that I spoke of.
 
he is saying its collective society , but even that kind of society has to have some kind of enforcement

Yes, the people, I don't think people would like if you tried to take 50 acres of land for yourself and not share the resources with anyone else..
 
You're right, we need to drastically cut back on military spending. :applaud

I agree with that. and cut back even more on unconstitutional income redistribution.
 
Who do you think actually built the factories? The capitalist who sits back and watches laborers work all day? I'm not talking about socialism, I'm giving a reason as to why socialism is justified for the workers.

you post socialism built factories, and when i asked for you to prove it, you post two people bio's.

it can clearly be seen you have nothing to back up what you are posting.
 
Yes, the people, I don't think people would like if you tried to take 50 acres of land for yourself and not share the resources with anyone else..

only the whiners not smart enough to have their own property
 
That involves having an advantage from the start that largely exist from that protection that I spoke of.

Another question, although that may be true, who would make sure all of the capitalists don't just pay the bare minimum needed for a laborer to survive?
 
you post socialism built factories, and when i asked for you to prove it, you post two people bio's.

it can clearly be seen you have nothing to back up what you are posting.

It does build factories, since many LOVE to say the USSR was a example of how evil socialism is, well, guess what. Look at the industrialization they did. Even though I acknowledge the USSR is far from socialism, especially under stalin.
 
then what is you enforcement?

People who don't want you to take all that land for yourself, much like police officers who stop crimes today, just think of other human beings not in uniform.
 
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