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Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?


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the actual effective rate was not all that different since so few were actually victimized by that idiotic tax rate which was first started by the disgusting FDR administration. Its easy for you to say it was fine when you don't have 90c off your next dollar confiscated by the government. Everyone should pay the same rate on their dollars so the parasites cannot be bought with promises that they will get goodies payed for by OTHERS paying a higher rate

Disgusting FDR administration? Oh lord. Even if that much was taken, you'd still have a comfortable life, plenty of food, shelter, clothing, luxury goods.. You call working people parasites, and disgust me. My dad is on disability, is he a parasite?
 
That's the core issue, the whole idea of profit involves exploitation.

Not really. If I am willing to sell my labor for 15 an hour who are you to tell me I cannot or that I am being "exploited"? Profit makes the world go around. Its why we have the most advanced society in the world. Those who whine about profit generally are those who have failed to succeed
 
Disgusting FDR administration? Oh lord. Even if that much was taken, you'd still have a comfortable life, plenty of food, shelter, clothing, luxury goods.. You call working people parasites, and disgust me. My dad is on disability, is he a parasite?
anyone who pays less taxes than him is
 
Disgusting FDR administration? Oh lord. Even if that much was taken, you'd still have a comfortable life, plenty of food, shelter, clothing, luxury goods.. You call working people parasites, and disgust me. My dad is on disability, is he a parasite?
also the FDR admin was disgusting but for different reasons than high taxes
 
Disgusting FDR administration? Oh lord. Even if that much was taken, you'd still have a comfortable life, plenty of food, shelter, clothing, luxury goods.. You call working people parasites, and disgust me. My dad is on disability, is he a parasite?

I don't call working people parasites. I call those who demand others fund their existence parasites. Your existence is not a just claim on the wealth or time of others.
 
You know at one point we had a massive tax rate on the rich and everything was fine, and the wealthy were fine. You call them parasites, when most people work, have families.. If a small group control the mass amount of wealth, it is literally common sense they be taxed more.
Consider it the "guillotine avoidance" tax.
 
Not really. If I am willing to sell my labor for 15 an hour who are you to tell me I cannot or that I am being "exploited"? Profit makes the world go around. Its why we have the most advanced society in the world. Those who whine about profit generally are those who have failed to succeed

By definition, although you may not think it, you are being exploited. Just like the diamond miners in africa, they may have no choice but to work, but they may not view it as exploitation, even though we all know it is. What's your definition of success? My dad worked in construction all his life, destroyed his shoulders, despite healthcare on a private insurance plan, which barely covered the surgery he would need, which he couldn't afford, so now he is on disability, while I work with my mother to support my family. I guess I'm a ****ing failure.
 
also the FDR admin was disgusting but for different reasons than high taxes

I applaud them for the new deal programs and the discussed second bill of rights we never got.
 
I don't call working people parasites. I call those who demand others fund their existence parasites. Your existence is not a just claim on the wealth or time of others.
you got your wealth the old fashioned way, right?
 
I don't call working people parasites. I call those who demand others fund their existence parasites. Your existence is not a just claim on the wealth or time of others.

People want a minority who control most wealth to contribute to the government, if you don't like it, go fund your own damn country.
 
you got your wealth the old fashioned way, right?

Oh yeah, I'm sure he worked in a coal mine and worked his way up, that doesn't happen anymore, most millionaires that are made today go to wall street, banking, manipulating third world countries.. inherit, rise up through businesses looking at excel sheets all day/planning meetings, call that hard work if you want, I'd rather look at the construction worker building roads.
 
By definition, although you may not think it, you are being exploited. Just like the diamond miners in africa, they may have no choice but to work, but they may not view it as exploitation, even though we all know it is. What's your definition of success? My dad worked in construction all his life, destroyed his shoulders, despite healthcare on a private insurance plan, which barely covered the surgery he would need, which he couldn't afford, so now he is on disability, while I work with my mother to support my family. I guess I'm a ****ing failure.

so you think others have a duty to fund your existence? now doesn't that mean you are exploiting others by demanding they fund you? Guess what happens in the state of nature? You don't find enough food, you croak. You don't have a useful skill that allows you to get or trade for food, you croak. reality bites but them's the breaks
 
I applaud them for the new deal programs and the discussed second bill of rights we never got.
i think internment camps were enough to soundly damn his administration
 
People want a minority who control most wealth to contribute to the government, if you don't like it, go fund your own damn country.

that minority subsidizes most of the government services people like you enjoy. and rather than getting thanks, we hear butt hurt whining that we should pay even more
 
so you think others have a duty to fund your existence? now doesn't that mean you are exploiting others by demanding they fund you? Guess what happens in the state of nature? You don't find enough food, you croak. You don't have a useful skill that allows you to get or trade for food, you croak. reality bites but them's the breaks

I know we produce more then enough food to feed everyone in the world, have the means to give shelter to everyone, water. We have a messed up world where food, water, is set forth with an exchange value, not a use value, where people are brought forth with the idea they need to acquire monetary income to acquire food, which is unfortunately true, it's why first world countries waste food in droves and millions starve to death, capitalism at it's finest, selling food in first world countries for the better exchange value. The state of nature? We are human beings, right now, we could feed every human being, give shelter, medical care.. You keep being ok with how it is, I have morals.
 
that minority subsidizes most of the government services people like you enjoy. and rather than getting thanks, we hear butt hurt whining that we should pay even more

You live more comfortably then almost every person in the world, and you live in a country with a government that collects taxes, that happens to be a democracy. If the majority decide you're not contributing enough, start your own country with a 'flat tax' of 10% and see how good it goes.
 
I know we produce more then enough food to feed everyone in the world, have the means to give shelter to everyone, water. We have a messed up world where food, water, is set forth with an exchange value, not a use value, where people are brought forth with the idea they need to acquire monetary income to acquire food, which is unfortunately true, it's why first world countries waste food in droves and millions starve to death, capitalism at it's finest, selling food in first world countries for the better exchange value. The state of nature? We are human beings, right now, we could feed every human being, give shelter, medical care.. You keep being ok with how it is, I have morals.

the collectivist authoritarians always pretend they have |"morals" but deep down it always results in coercion and force and death. Sorry, I don't want a government to have the power you want it to because such governments end up killing millions in the name of "the common good" or "sharing the wealth"
 
the collectivist authoritarians always pretend they have |"morals" but deep down it always results in coercion and force and death. Sorry, I don't want a government to have the power you want it to because such governments end up killing millions in the name of "the common good" or "sharing the wealth"

As a communist, I am fully against a state. Bad decisions and murders by men like Mao are horrible, but it doesn't change the fact that we could feed everyone in the world right now, and one of the main things preventing this is capitalism/profit.
 
As a communist, I am fully against a state. Bad decisions and murders by men like Mao are horrible, but it doesn't change the fact that we could feed everyone in the world right now, and one of the main things preventing this is capitalism/profit.

I am not willing to give you or other communists the power to take from some so you can take credit giving to others.
 
I am not willing to give you or other communists the power to take from some so you can take credit giving to others.

So, giving the means of production to the people, not a individual person, making sure everyone has food... You can't stand this idea, and that's ok, I know the person you are.
 
Yes, & most super rich people, control the world. not talking about people that are well off. Talking about the 1%. Most of their wealth comes from family, or from some sort of corruption. Most of these people don't deserve the wealth they have.
 
So, giving the means of production to the people, not a individual person, making sure everyone has food... You can't stand this idea, and that's ok, I know the person you are.

I tire of you making comments about what kind of a person I am because I don't favor you being able to forcibly take property from others.
 
Yes, & most super rich people, control the world. not talking about people that are well off. Talking about the 1%. Most of their wealth comes from family, or from some sort of corruption. Most of these people don't deserve the wealth they have.

Anyone who actually believes someone on wall street works harder then a diamond miner in Africa or a sweatshop worker, they are delusional.
 
Yes, & most super rich people, control the world. not talking about people that are well off. Talking about the 1%. Most of their wealth comes from family, or from some sort of corruption. Most of these people don't deserve the wealth they have.

you are making a silly assumption. the top one percent are nothing like the billionaires you whine about. 400K a year puts you in the top one percent. Many doctors, some lawyers, small business owners. and who is to say who deservers the wealth they have? some bitter guy on a board? LOL
 
I tire of you making comments about what kind of a person I am because I don't favor you being able to forcibly take property from others.

Oh, people would still have property, but the means of production, factories, farms, would not belong to one individual, they would be collectively owned for the benefit of all. Yes, I want to give the means of production to the people, not to one individual using them for profit while millions starve to death, go without shoes, guaranteed access to clean water.. Pardon me. Oh, you've established what kind of person you are.
 
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