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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    you got your wealth the old fashioned way, right?
    Oh yeah, I'm sure he worked in a coal mine and worked his way up, that doesn't happen anymore, most millionaires that are made today go to wall street, banking, manipulating third world countries.. inherit, rise up through businesses looking at excel sheets all day/planning meetings, call that hard work if you want, I'd rather look at the construction worker building roads.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    By definition, although you may not think it, you are being exploited. Just like the diamond miners in africa, they may have no choice but to work, but they may not view it as exploitation, even though we all know it is. What's your definition of success? My dad worked in construction all his life, destroyed his shoulders, despite healthcare on a private insurance plan, which barely covered the surgery he would need, which he couldn't afford, so now he is on disability, while I work with my mother to support my family. I guess I'm a ****ing failure.
    so you think others have a duty to fund your existence? now doesn't that mean you are exploiting others by demanding they fund you? Guess what happens in the state of nature? You don't find enough food, you croak. You don't have a useful skill that allows you to get or trade for food, you croak. reality bites but them's the breaks
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I applaud them for the new deal programs and the discussed second bill of rights we never got.
    i think internment camps were enough to soundly damn his administration
    "...it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists,"

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    People want a minority who control most wealth to contribute to the government, if you don't like it, go fund your own damn country.
    that minority subsidizes most of the government services people like you enjoy. and rather than getting thanks, we hear butt hurt whining that we should pay even more
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you think others have a duty to fund your existence? now doesn't that mean you are exploiting others by demanding they fund you? Guess what happens in the state of nature? You don't find enough food, you croak. You don't have a useful skill that allows you to get or trade for food, you croak. reality bites but them's the breaks
    I know we produce more then enough food to feed everyone in the world, have the means to give shelter to everyone, water. We have a messed up world where food, water, is set forth with an exchange value, not a use value, where people are brought forth with the idea they need to acquire monetary income to acquire food, which is unfortunately true, it's why first world countries waste food in droves and millions starve to death, capitalism at it's finest, selling food in first world countries for the better exchange value. The state of nature? We are human beings, right now, we could feed every human being, give shelter, medical care.. You keep being ok with how it is, I have morals.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that minority subsidizes most of the government services people like you enjoy. and rather than getting thanks, we hear butt hurt whining that we should pay even more
    You live more comfortably then almost every person in the world, and you live in a country with a government that collects taxes, that happens to be a democracy. If the majority decide you're not contributing enough, start your own country with a 'flat tax' of 10% and see how good it goes.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I know we produce more then enough food to feed everyone in the world, have the means to give shelter to everyone, water. We have a messed up world where food, water, is set forth with an exchange value, not a use value, where people are brought forth with the idea they need to acquire monetary income to acquire food, which is unfortunately true, it's why first world countries waste food in droves and millions starve to death, capitalism at it's finest, selling food in first world countries for the better exchange value. The state of nature? We are human beings, right now, we could feed every human being, give shelter, medical care.. You keep being ok with how it is, I have morals.
    the collectivist authoritarians always pretend they have |"morals" but deep down it always results in coercion and force and death. Sorry, I don't want a government to have the power you want it to because such governments end up killing millions in the name of "the common good" or "sharing the wealth"
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the collectivist authoritarians always pretend they have |"morals" but deep down it always results in coercion and force and death. Sorry, I don't want a government to have the power you want it to because such governments end up killing millions in the name of "the common good" or "sharing the wealth"
    As a communist, I am fully against a state. Bad decisions and murders by men like Mao are horrible, but it doesn't change the fact that we could feed everyone in the world right now, and one of the main things preventing this is capitalism/profit.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    As a communist, I am fully against a state. Bad decisions and murders by men like Mao are horrible, but it doesn't change the fact that we could feed everyone in the world right now, and one of the main things preventing this is capitalism/profit.
    I am not willing to give you or other communists the power to take from some so you can take credit giving to others.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not willing to give you or other communists the power to take from some so you can take credit giving to others.
    So, giving the means of production to the people, not a individual person, making sure everyone has food... You can't stand this idea, and that's ok, I know the person you are.

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