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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    I said big pharmaceutical asks for subsidies, hence the word big meaning a lot of money, and you said they ask but don't receive... so I posted you an article.

    If you want me to find articles of corruption through lobbyists I will, however this article seriously proved you were wrong.


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    To clarify I said anyone can ask, there is nothing wrong with asking nor is there a law against asking. But that does not mean everyone gets what they ask for. If your saying pharm asks for subsidies and they are approved by congress, then I suspect what they are asking for is beneficial for the government to issue such subsidies. I mean this goes on all day long. Example government will give an accelerated depreciation rate on equipment etc. for a period of time thus that accelerated depreciation rate encourages purchasing of new equipment. This is a subsidy to business.

    I still have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Who do the unions represent?
    they represent the people of their union.

    unions are special interest groups who seek from congress things which benefit them and not what is good for the people, the states or the union itself.

    the founders warn us against democratic forms of government and their factious combinations

    "The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter"

    by repealing the 17th we cripple lobbying in Washington d.c.


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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    they represent the people of their union.

    unions are special interest groups who seek from congress things which benefit them and not what is good for the people, the states or the union itself.
    Interesting, first you say unions represent the people of their union, then you say the union seeks benefits for them and not the people they represent.

    the founders warn us against democratic forms of government and their factious combinations

    "The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter"

    by repealing the 17th we cripple lobbying in Washington d.c.
    Good luck with repealing the 17th it's been around a long long time. And there is no such push to repeal it.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    To clarify I said anyone can ask, there is nothing wrong with asking nor is there a law against asking. But that does not mean everyone gets what they ask for. If your saying pharm asks for subsidies and they are approved by congress, then I suspect what they are asking for is beneficial for the government to issue such subsidies. I mean this goes on all day long. Example government will give an accelerated depreciation rate on equipment etc. for a period of time thus that accelerated depreciation rate encourages purchasing of new equipment. This is a subsidy to business.

    I still have no idea what point you are trying to make.
    The point I am successfully making is that wealthy business owners use their money to pay government officials to use aspects of fiscal policy to protect big business from falling, thus through the corruption the market process becomes inefficient and competition ceases to exist.

    This is a factor of that applies to the growing level of inequality, the slowing rate of production in terms of export goods as well as the dwindling middle class and small business owners who can't compete

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Interesting, first you say unions represent the people of their union, then you say the union seeks benefits for them and not the people they represent.
    does a union of plumbers represent the people of the u.s. ...no

    the union represents the people of the union itself.....it does not represent the people- the states -or the union.



    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    luck with repealing the 17th it's been around a long long time. And there is no such push to repeal it.
    with the 17th, it moved america closer to democracy, which is a vile form of government hated by the founders, because it is full of fraction/ special interest who really control government, under the guise of the people running it.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers as well.

    That said, I think they have too much power and something should be done about it.
    But they're aren't being hypocrites like Soros who pretends to be for the little man, all while raking in $billions.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what the whine about the wealthy fail to understand is that the rich are not a monolithic force. For every free market "rich despite the government" type there is a "rich because of the government nanny-stater who cancels him out. People like the Kochs cancel out scum like Soros. its pretty much a wash
    Except Soros is a total hypocrite for living against his ideology.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But they're aren't being hypocrites like Soros who pretends to be for the little man, all while raking in $billions.
    What exactly makes Soros a hypocrite? Because he's a rich person with liberal views?
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    'Course they do. They didn't buy the power, though- they didn't even take it. It was given to them on a platter by poor idiots who equate wealth with worth. "He's worth $3billion!" they say and when the billionaire tells them that global warming is a myth they leap in their thousands and chant, "Myth! Myth! Myth!". Another billionaire tells them that government health care is unworkable and will ruin the country and the poor idiots denounce the best improvement in their lives since the Model T. A billionaire tells them that unions are wrong and that moving factories to Mexico is right and that minimum wages will destroy the economy and, well, by God if he's so rich he must be smart! Right?
    That's power, when you can make people believe that right is wrong and bad is good.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What exactly makes Soros a hypocrite? Because he's a rich person with liberal views?

    he is no different than family values bible thumpers who are getting hand jobs in airport toilets. He's a rich fat cat who pretends to whine about the rich.

    One of the biggest failures of Bush was not having Soros "taken care of"
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