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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not a fan of citizen participation in government eh?
    Lobbying at this point mainly helps those with lots of money, I'm all for citizen participation.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Lobbying at this point mainly helps those with lots of money, I'm all for citizen participation.
    Citizens do participate in all forms of lobbying, protests is a form of lobbying, million man marches are a form of lobbying. Activist groups are a form of lobbying. Green Peace is a lobbyist. There are lobbyist for and against government on about all issues. And there is big money on each side of any one issue. Take the Sacramento smelt where the lobbyist won the argument that the smelt trumped all the farmers need for water. Billions of gallons of water have been diverted away from the farmers for the smelt. Unions are lobbyist and they have deep pockets (lots of money) representing citizen participation.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Lobbying at this point mainly helps those with lots of money, I'm all for citizen participation.
    opposing lobbying and supporting citizen participation are contradictory positions.

    the opinion of lobbying mainly helping those with lots of money is extremely suspect....care to offer substantiation to that opinion?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    opposing lobbying and supporting citizen participation are contradictory positions.

    the opinion of lobbying mainly helping those with lots of money is extremely suspect....care to offer substantiation to that opinion?
    The website I gave you, look at where the majority comes from.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Ok, 40 hours, at least, of labor a week by laborers in the third world, is worth 50 cents a week? You claim this hilarious bull****, you give me the evidence.
    Another lame reply.
    This is you not understanding what has been said.

    Again;
    You judge that by the local prevailing rate, just as you judge the conditions by the local requirements.

    If it is only worth 0.50¢ a week, that is all it is worth.

    What is it you do not understand about that?

    Do you really not understand that?
    Do I really need to change the amount for you to understand what is being said?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You admit that capitalists purposefully exploit workers?
    More lameness. Figures.
    You are wrong.
    Paying them what they are worth is not exploitation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You can't say it's not my business, I think it is.
    And you are wrong because it is not your business.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Reduce their populations? What are you advocating here, genocide?
    I am advocating you participating in their society to reduce their starvation by population reduction. That is the only thing that really works.
    Feeding them with other's resources just exacerbates the problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    So, if a child with parents who can't afford healthcare (Well, we have found ways to help that now..) is hurt, should they be denied care? After all, who cares?

    Another emotive and lame reply.
    You are not entitled to another's efforts. Not in reality or nature.
    Get rid of that silly notion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You refuse to give a reason for why they're lame, emotional appeal isn't emotional when it is the truth.
    More irrational lameness and wrong to boot. Figures.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You are defining skilled labor on your own, very illogical and ignorant.
    No, I am not.
    Your reply is illogical as it is ignorant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Hey, you're not backing up your assertions, the MLK/einstein point is obvious.

    That is what you are engaged in.
    There is no obvious MLK point. You were being emotive as well as illogical.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Capitalism doesn't help end poverty, it feeds off of it, as you have admitted.

    Wrong.





    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Even if they would, you would likely not accept it.
    1. Wrong.
    2. They can't show any such thing. The claim is "too much". That is a subjective assertion, and as such, can not be proven.


    Every citizen has a right to lobby or have another lobby on their behalf. Sorry you do not like that, but there is nothing wrong with lobbying.

    The wealthy support those who are of similar views as theirs own.
    Just as the poor support those who are of similar views as theirs own.
    If a person isn't a viable candidate for the masses they are appealing to, they are not going to be elected no matter how much money is thrown into the coffers by the wealthy.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The website I gave you, look at where the majority comes from.
    the amount spent lobbying doesn't tell me who the lobbying benefits.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    They always have and always will have too much power... that is the nature of being rich.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Citizens do participate in all forms of lobbying, protests is a form of lobbying, million man marches are a form of lobbying. Activist groups are a form of lobbying. Green Peace is a lobbyist. There are lobbyist for and against government on about all issues. And there is big money on each side of any one issue. Take the Sacramento smelt where the lobbyist won the argument that the smelt trumped all the farmers need for water. Billions of gallons of water have been diverted away from the farmers for the smelt. Unions are lobbyist and they have deep pockets (lots of money) representing citizen participation.
    I think people are worried about the lobbyists that right bills for congressman to just sign... that is the problem and not the marchers...

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no need to .... it's simply a projection of your own personal frustration over the idea that people see things differently than you do.... it's meaningless to anyone who isn't you.
    Whatever rocks your boat.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Another lame reply.
    This is you not understanding what has been said.

    Again;
    You judge that by the local prevailing rate, just as you judge the conditions by the local requirements.

    If it is only worth 0.50¢ a week, that is all it is worth.

    What is it you do not understand about that?

    Do you really not understand that?
    Do I really need to change the amount for you to understand what is being said?


    More lameness. Figures.
    You are wrong.
    Paying them what they are worth is not exploitation.


    And you are wrong because it is not your business.




    I am advocating you participating in their society to reduce their starvation by population reduction. That is the only thing that really works.
    Feeding them with other's resources just exacerbates the problem.



    Another emotive and lame reply.
    You are not entitled to another's efforts. Not in reality or nature.
    Get rid of that silly notion.


    More irrational lameness and wrong to boot. Figures.


    No, I am not.
    Your reply is illogical as it is ignorant.



    That is what you are engaged in.
    There is no obvious MLK point. You were being emotive as well as illogical.




    Wrong.





    1. Wrong.
    2. They can't show any such thing. The claim is "too much". That is a subjective assertion, and as such, can not be proven.


    Every citizen has a right to lobby or have another lobby on their behalf. Sorry you do not like that, but there is nothing wrong with lobbying.

    The wealthy support those who are of similar views as theirs own.
    Just as the poor support those who are of similar views as theirs own.
    If a person isn't a viable candidate for the masses they are appealing to, they are not going to be elected no matter how much money is thrown into the coffers by the wealthy.
    Except they aren't worth 50 cents, they are producing hundreds/thousands in profit each day, the capitalist is deciding what they are worth to pay them the lowest amount available, no matter their quality of life, it's why we struggled so hard to get labor unions, the minimum wage.. You're disgusting.
    We produce enough feed, right now, to feed 10 billion people, you're claim is ludicrous.
    Not wrong, it's why capitalists love countries without minimum wage laws, labor laws.. and it's why they actively fight against labor laws/wage laws, has they have through history, with slavery, child labor, the minimum wage.. You appear to literally have no emotion, which is important when talking about the starvation of others. The problem is, it is not 50 cents a week, where the hell are you getting that anyway? You honestly think a sweatshop worker making $100 in product an hour that gets paid 10 cents an hour is just how much she/he is worth? I don't care what you say, any human being with a conscious knows that it is not right. Ah, the nature of the capitalist. You keep saying illogical and ignorant, while refusing to say why other then LUL EMOTIONAL. Facts are facts, genius, and emotion isn't a bad thing when constituted with facts. You are defining it on your own, you seem to think staring at excel sheets and working the stock market is more skilled then a construction worker, you are coming up with your own definitions. Capitalism doesn't help poverty, it's been fueling it, feeding off of it, just look at why capitalists move production to countries with little to no labor laws, and yes, I do take into account the local prices, which is why the people suffer from bad nutrition, laughable shelter, never guaranteed food, let alone meat, which is a rarity, hell, affording a good education, decent clothing, clean water, medicine? Good luck, without help from generous people, which we need more of. Look at the congo, burundi, liberia, niger, Nicaragua, Haiti.. You keep saying wrong like you're superior, while defining stuff on your own and ignoring poverty reports, etc.. Wait, we shouldn't feed them at all? Jesus ****ing christ. (Capitalism may help first world countries in some aspects, but to maintain this, it relies on labor in third world countries, and countries with little to no labor laws/unions/etc..)
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