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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he oughta try hunting for an Iphone or gathering nuclear technology sometimes.
    Yes, they obviously had any of the resources to make those thousands of years ago. Talk about illogical argumentation.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Show that they don't, lobbying, in regards to politics is really the main issue.
    it's bad form to ask someone to show a negative.

    its your claim they have "too much power"... it's a positive claim that demands substantiation.

    be warned , though... it's pretty hard to define "too much"

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, they obviously had any of the resources to make those thousands of years ago. Talk about illogical argumentation.
    Technically they did.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, they obviously had any of the resources to make those thousands of years ago. Talk about illogical argumentation.
    I see.. this is illogical argumentation, but presenting such a society as somehow superior to capitalism isn't.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I see.. this is illogical argumentation, but presenting such a society as somehow superior to capitalism isn't.
    I never said it was superior to today modern's society, all I am showing is that people can work together without being greedy by nature.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Technically they did.
    Well, yeah, but come on now.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's bad form to ask someone to show a negative.

    its your claim they have "too much power"... it's a positive claim that demands substantiation.

    be warned , though... it's pretty hard to define "too much"
    https://www.opensecrets.org/influence/ Make your own judgement.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    50 cents a week is what they're worth when they produce **** loads of more value.. any citations?
    Illogical and emotional response to that said.

    Again;
    You judge that by the local prevailing rate, just as you judge the conditions by the local requirements.

    If it is only worth 0.50¢ a week, that is all it is worth.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    No wonder capitalists love to move production to third world countries without labor laws/minimum wage laws.
    Another lame reply.
    Consumers demand inexpensive products.
    You can not fault the business owner for that.
    And as it is a business, profits should be maximized and if it is a Corporation it is a fiduciary responsibility.
    There is nothing wrong with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'm sorry, it is my business, millions are starving to death.
    Lame. More emotive nonsense.
    Others people money, especially that which has already been taxed, is not your business. Period.
    Nothing you can say changes that.

    And there are not millions starving in the US, which this topic is about.
    But if you really want to help those starving in other countries go there, and for their societies sake reduce their damn population.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Manual labor is worth a dime.. the disrespect for most of the world is hilarious, billions will have to do manual labor, they deserve respect and a decent wage.
    I didn't stutter. Yes it is a dime a dozen. That is reality, not disrespect, but way to go all emotive again.
    They have a decent wage if it is in accordance with the prevailing wage of their local.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    They are not emotional appeal, ask me what I need to support and I will.
    Yes they are.
    Again; Go where you think you are needed and reduce their populations.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Are children receiving healthcare providing any value when they receive it? ... Many on welfare work, so I'd say they give back to capitalists.
    More illogical emotive lameness.
    The healthcare they receive should be provided by their parents.
    Not society.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Lame statements?
    Did I stutter? Your arguments are lame.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You're the one purposefully making yourself look like a dick.
    See! Just more emotive lame nonsense.
    It is really all you have. Truly sad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Really? Ok, let me go down this line, let's assume all countries have access to education, the road to be successful, then we have costs, failure rates, and let alone the fact that manual labor will always exist, and people will always be doing the "worthless" jobs, such as mining, sweatshopping, apple factories, logging, service jobs.. What do you define as success? Do you think everyone just needs to WORK HARDER HARR BECAUSE A MAJORITY CAN OBVIOUSLY ALL BECOME BUSINESSMEN IN SUITS WHO DON'T DO MANUAL LABOR. That makes no sense, I'd rather acknowledge that manual labor requires skill, dedication, and manual laborers work harder then any capitalist.
    More lameness.
    Yes really.
    Again;
    Manual labor is a dime a dozen and as such is worth that.
    Scarce and more skilled labor is worth more.
    This is why your arguments fail.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is my business,
    No it isn't. Never will be.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Find me anything on MLK/albert einstein wanting to acquire profit.
    More lameness. You need to support your assertions. Not I.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Show that they don't, lobbying, in regards to politics is really the main issue.

    I do not need to show a negative. D'oh! You have to show what you assert.
    Thus far no one has shown they have too much power.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Illogical and emotional response to that said.

    Again;
    You judge that by the local prevailing rate, just as you judge the conditions by the local requirements.

    If it is only worth 0.50¢ a week, that is all it is worth.


    Another lame reply.
    Consumers demand inexpensive products.
    You can not fault the business owner for that.
    And as it is a business, profits should be maximized and if it is a Corporation it is a fiduciary responsibility.
    There is nothing wrong with it.


    Lame. More emotive nonsense.
    Others people money, especially that which has already been taxed, is not your business. Period.
    Nothing you can say changes that.

    And there are not millions starving in the US, which this topic is about.
    But if you really want to help those starving in other countries go there, and for their societies sake reduce their damn population.


    I didn't stutter. Yes it is a dime a dozen. That is reality, not disrespect, but way to go all emotive again.
    They have a decent wage if it is in accordance with the prevailing wage of their local.


    Yes they are.
    Again; Go where you think you are needed and reduce their populations.


    More illogical emotive lameness.
    The healthcare they receive should be provided by their parents.
    Not society.


    Did I stutter? Your arguments are lame.


    See! Just more emotive lame nonsense.
    It is really all you have. Truly sad.


    More lameness.
    Yes really.
    Again;
    Manual labor is a dime a dozen and as such is worth that.
    Scarce and more skilled labor is worth more.
    This is why your arguments fail.


    No it isn't. Never will be.


    More lameness. You need to support your assertions. Not I.



    I do not need to show a negative. D'oh! You have to show what you assert.
    Thus far no one has shown they have too much power.
    https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/
    Ok, 40 hours, at least, of labor a week by laborers in the third world, is worth 50 cents a week? You claim this hilarious bull****, you give me the evidence.
    Yeah, you're not helping my case against capitalism being immoral. You admit that capitalists purposefully exploit workers? Good to know.
    You can't say it's not my business, I think it is.
    Really? Tell me all about these wages:
    List of countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Prevailing wage of their local? It is set by the capitalists who purposefully pay the amount needed for subsistence, sometimes, not even this.
    Reduce their populations? What are you advocating here, genocide? I should mention we produce enough food to feed 10 billion people with all nutritional requirements right now, population isn't the problem
    So, if a child with parents who can't afford healthcare (Well, we have found ways to help that now..) is hurt, should they be denied care? After all, who cares? You refuse to give a reason for why they're lame, emotional appeal isn't emotional when it is the truth. You are defining skilled labor on your own, very illogical and ignorant. Hey, you're not backing up your assertions, the MLK/einstein point is obvious.
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...earn-125-a-day
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...590729809.html
    Capitalism doesn't help end poverty, it feeds off of it, as you have admitted.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No one has yet to show that the wealthy have too much power.
    Even if they would, you would likely not accept it.

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