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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, the worker is not paid for the amount he is producing, almost always with a massive gap. Why would someone take part in a trade when they get nothing from it? It's exploitation, you support my case, the capitalist relies on not giving the laborer a fair payment for his labor, in order to achieve profit.
    so you want to force someone to pay another person more than what is sufficient to buy his labor for? that sounds like totalitarianistic nonsense. Why should I pay more for the commodity known as labor than what is sufficient to obtain both the quality and quantity of that commodity that I seek?
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nope, I want to have votes proportionate to my share of paying for government. I tire of ten parasites who pay nothing demanding that people like me pay more and more taxes. If one group pays for 40% of the federal government, they ought to have 40% of the say of how that government spends the money
    You know at one point we had a massive tax rate on the rich and everything was fine, and the wealthy were fine. You call them parasites, when most people work, have families.. If a small group control the mass amount of wealth, it is literally common sense they be taxed more.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, the worker is not paid for the amount he is producing, almost always with a massive gap. Why would someone take part in a trade when they get nothing from it? It's exploitation, you support my case, the capitalist relies on not giving the laborer a fair payment for his labor, in order to achieve profit.
    The laborer comes to the employer looking to trade his labor for a salary. Why in the ****ing hell would he retain the fruits of his labor when he sold it?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The labor theory of value was even dropped by Marx himself. At least ascribe to a theory that isn't debunked nonsense.
    It was dropped by Marx himself? Really now.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Absolutely we do!
    I wasn't referring to wanna be's.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The laborer comes to the employer looking to trade his labor for a salary. Why in the ****ing hell would he retain the fruits of his labor when he sold it?
    That's the problem with capitalism, it relies on exploitation of what one's labor is worth for profit. That's all there is to it. People literally agree to acquire a source of monetary income without much of a say, or have no source of income to buy food, shelter.. all controlled by capitalism.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although ordinary citizens can vote in national elections, the candidates must have funding that is backed by organizations that are controlled by those with wealth. As such the choices are limited.

    Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?
    This is a question?

    I thought that was a long-established fact.

    FFS campaign finance these days basically boils down to who knows the richest persons (which now includes companies) and can best filter the money from them through whatever convoluted methods are necessary to make it legal.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the kind of person I am is that adults ought to be able to contract without others interfering. I think allowing government to "right all the wrongs" that the butt hurt and envious complain about leads to the crap we saw in Pol Pot's "killing fields" or Mao's "Great leap forward" and other government created atrocities
    Yes, they were clearly democracies. You're throwing out ridiculous examples. Adults able to contract without others interfering? We saw what the world was like before the government stepped in to regulate capitalism, don't kid yourself.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You know at one point we had a massive tax rate on the rich and everything was fine, and the wealthy were fine. You call them parasites, when most people work, have families.. If a small group control the mass amount of wealth, it is literally common sense they be taxed more.
    the actual effective rate was not all that different since so few were actually victimized by that idiotic tax rate which was first started by the disgusting FDR administration. Its easy for you to say it was fine when you don't have 90c off your next dollar confiscated by the government. Everyone should pay the same rate on their dollars so the parasites cannot be bought with promises that they will get goodies payed for by OTHERS paying a higher rate
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you want to force someone to pay another person more than what is sufficient to buy his labor for? that sounds like totalitarianistic nonsense. Why should I pay more for the commodity known as labor than what is sufficient to obtain both the quality and quantity of that commodity that I seek?
    That's the core issue, the whole idea of profit involves exploitation.

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