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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, we don't all know what would happen....anarcho-capitalism allows for so much liberty that we really can't even make an informed assumption... far too many societal factors come into play.
    it is that very allowance for liberties that make it more realistic than Communism, though.

    true Communism cannot exist in an environment of liberty... it's far too rigid, far too demanding, and far too restrictive.
    Who would be in control in a stateless society?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I imagine you're one of those people that think they represent the most affluent of societies. You're talking about societies that didn't advance at all throughout the entire time they existed and somehow people like Engels wanted to model his ideas around their principles. The principles of a people that created a society that didn't move forward at all. The very idea that you would want to recreate what basically amounted to society where people were fighting for their survival throughout the entire time the system existed is beyond all known reason. No one can actually think it is a good idea to recreate the most stagnated society that ever existed.
    I never said I want to create it, I think the societies are a great example of how human beings can work together and provide for each other without the supposed "human nature" I keep hearing about, which is only observed under capitalism.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why?...
    History?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Who would be in control in a stateless society?
    that's like asking what color unicorn farts are..... the real answer lies in the statement "unicorns don't exist".

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    History?
    what kind of answer is that?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I never said I want to create it, I think the societies are a great example of how human beings can work together and provide for each other without the supposed "human nature" I keep hearing about, which is only observed under capitalism.
    Yes, they worked together so that the group stayed alive. What else did they do? If the system can offer nothing but keeping people alive I don't see what it is really worth to the world.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what kind of answer is that?
    You don't appreciate history, but if you truly want my interpretation, it shows that the "human nature" argument relating to everyone being greedy bastards who would backstab you if they got the chance is ridiculous, as we would never have survived and evolved if we were like that. I believe human nature goes both ways, and is greatly influenced by the systems within the world, capitalism encourages the worst parts of human nature.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, they worked together so that the group stayed alive. What else did they do? If the system can offer nothing but keeping people alive I don't see what worth it has to the world.
    They farmed for some time, and even then, the system wasn't even a system, it was groups of people caring for each other, no concept of private property.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    You don't appreciate history, but if you truly want my interpretation, it shows that the "human nature" argument relating to everyone being greedy bastards who would backstab you if they got the chance is ridiculous, as we would never have survived and evolved if we were like that. I believe human nature goes both ways, and is greatly influenced by the systems within the world, capitalism encourages the worst parts of human nature.
    There is a difference between fighting for your survival and working together because you need to and people deciding to work together when they have their survival needs meet. If your entire idea is sending everyone back to clawing to staying alive there is no reason to consider it.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is a difference between fighting for your survival and working together because you need to and people deciding to work together when they have their survival needs meet.
    They did work together when they had their needs met, what, do you think they immediately started going for profit when the farms had a surplus? Again, you underestimate humans, refer to my point about how the system influences our "nature"

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