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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What I'm getting is that there is no evidence that collectively owned property is superior than individually owned property. If you want productive well maintained property the one thing you don't want to do is to allow the collective to own it. The fact of the matter is that societies built on collective ownership will never be as prosperous as societies built on individual ownership.
    What society are you basing this off of? A society where the state collectivized everything, and not the people? You keep making assumptions, well, we both do, anarcho capitalism/communism have never existed.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Singapore has 5.5 million people, and if that's your only example, then that's embarrassing, considering all of the capitalist countries without regulations that **** everyone.
    Like which nation

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by dovkan View Post
    wanting capitalism is hardly intelligent, and it's true, capitalism is the religion of blood suckers and those who want to oppress others. See how this leads us no where?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    and you said before you would be ok with killing people to achieve your goal of communism..
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    you may not do it yourself, but you have no problem with it taking place.
    Quote Originally Posted by dovkan View Post
    oh, i'd oppose it, violence is not the way to go, but i wouldn't go out and fight against them.
    Quote Originally Posted by dovkan View Post
    if people were having an actual violent revolution against the state, i wouldn't try to stop them.
    all this time you and i have been talking about your brand of government, and no other.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    What society are you basing this off of? A society where the state collectivized everything, and not the people? You keep making assumptions, well, we both do, anarcho capitalism/communism have never existed.
    No, I'm looking at the same societies that Marx looked at and instead of saying they were great like he did I'm saying they were stagnant ****holes that were never going to move forward.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I don't see what you're talking about.
    yeah sure... play the haymarket game.....

    you are for force, and killing people to reserve a system you desire.......you may not want to physically kill people yourself, but you will support the action to keep and preserve communism.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    It's simple supply and demand theory. If the producers charge too high people won't buy, if their price of input is too low the domestic population will not expand profit for the company. The only way a firm can actually pay less on Input of production is either by new technology which is a good thing for the global economy, or create trade protectionist policy through government to expand export sectors. This is what is happening in china right now, the domestic population can not afford most of the products because china has huge export subsidies and the central gov. Devalues the yuan to such levels most of the Chinese population live in tremendous real world poverty. This is a direct cause of the central planning of the economy, not free marketism.

    However, fords quote is a direct relation to any healthy sustainable free market society. Any economist would agree the idea that paying domestic and focusing a majority of production on domestic stability is a much more stable long term growth, however in infant stages of a nation you can argue for trade policy to in a sense shock the economy to a massive growth, after that you need to stabilize that growth by advancing your domestic infrastructure and the most efficient and stable way to do so is through the free market
    Then explain why the majority of the world only makes enough for clothing, shelter, and food/water, while working for sweatshops making fancy clothing they can never afford, etc... Producers don't want to charge low, it's why millions starve to death every year, it's not practicial to distribute/sell food to them where we're in the first world gobbling that **** down and wasting 50% of it. New technology is good for taking away jobs, at least in terms of what is happening today, eventually, it will get to a point where technology will take a majority of jobs. China was only planned until 1978, genius. It's the core idea of capitalism, don't sugarcoat it, capitalism relies on exploiting cheap labor/resources in under-developed countries to resell it at a profit to other countries, capitalism thrives on poverty. Many other countries other then China, you've only stated one example of a capitalist country without a minimum wage doing good, and even then: List of countries by income equality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Paying domestic in America for production in regards to factory isn't as profitable as exploiting labor in another country.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Like which nation
    Honduras
    Somalia - I'd argue this is the closest we have to anarcho capitalism.
    The democratic republic of the congo
    Haiti
    Most of the third world.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I'm looking at the same societies that Marx looked at and instead of saying they were great like he did I'm saying they were stagnant ****holes that were never going to move forward.
    What societies?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    What societies?
    Marx's stupid idea of primitive communism. Marx's and Engels admiration of hunter and gather societies was ridiculous.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-09-15 at 03:55 PM.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?
    They definitely have more purchasing power in the market. But no, not under the conditions that you present.
    A person isn't going to be elected simply because they are well financed.
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