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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Yeah, as if your zero experience in life makes you more knowledgeable...


    Luck had nothing to do with it. It started with hard work and perseverance.


    Citation needed.


    Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.


    They tried, it never went beyond stage 1. And thats why it will never work.
    It never advocates the stage they did, I'll edit later.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    When did I say that?
    I said it may happen, I would never do it.
    you may not do it yourself, but you have no problem with it taking place.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Collectively owned property in regards to the means of production, also, who do you think would stop those people? Other people, and you have to realize the motive for that really would have no logical reason, their is no for profit motive. No one controls what people use, right now, a massive surplus is occurring under capitalism, everything would have a use value, discussing the hypothetical realities of what a communist society would be like is ridiculous. Poor upkeep? In reference to the USSR? I wonder why, not like those people didn't have a democracy, or actual ownership of the property, hence the totalitarian state under stalin.. Oh, you keep making defenses of the hypothetical anarcho capitalism, we will never escape this void.
    I hardly see how restricting the example to only the means of production changes my argument in the slightest. The very fact that you eliminated the profit motive would in fact lead to people caring for the property in question less and thus upkeep would suffer. Aristotle argued against collectively owned property on this basis centuries ago and I fail to see how he was wrong.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    communism is built on force, not liberty
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    It hasn't been built yet, and if needs to be done by force, I can understand why.
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    thanks for confirming that, and i am sure your force also means killing people it need be...
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    I suppose, although I highly doubt it will come to that, in regards to using armed force.


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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Address my points on "choosing" "Ford" at least, come on.
    Also, you may want to see this: Exposing the great 'poverty reduction' lie - Al Jazeera English
    I did, re-read about regulations I.b aid and trade with developing nations and how lack of manufacturing diversity creates gridlock and the inability to transfer job markets. Also what I was speaking about literary explains everything in your al jazeer article.

    Ford defines the pRoDucers position in a market society

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.
    Take note that before this country had a minimum wage and higher taxes unemployment was regularly around those levels.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I suppose, although I highly doubt it will come to that, in regards to using armed force.
    which is why lefties are almost always the advocates for banning guns and disarming citizens
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    Time for real gun control
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    You too are a gun banner if you want ANY person banned from guns.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Yeah, as if your zero experience in life makes you more knowledgeable... Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?


    Luck had nothing to do with it. It started with hard work and perseverance.


    Citation needed.


    Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.


    They tried, it never went beyond stage 1. And thats why it will never work.
    Singapore showing steady economic growth, low income inequality, and high employment seriously shows deregulation works.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    A system that fails miserably at distributing the surplus it produces, it's more profitable to throw it all away while 45% of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition. - WHO
    Communism is a stateless society without money or social classes. Why couldn't we produce that much?
    the question isn't "why couldn't we produce that much ?" .. it's "why would you? "

    what's the incentive to produce beyond what you need to survive?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the question isn't "why couldn't we produce that much ?" .. it's "why would you? "

    what's the incentive to produce beyond what you need to survive?
    And even producing that much becomes problematic in his system. That is not even facing the quality issue, which will of course suffer as well.

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