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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    If you wanted to, yes, farming would be accessible to all though, one wouldn't hoard food for themselves, unless their already is a massive surplus. You wouldn't have private ownership of land that can be used to benefit others, but you need to understand you would be able to hunt, fish..
    oh?...then what is your enforcement to stop me from hording?....holding land?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    There is nothing to enforce, it is a stateless society with collective ownership of production, things like farms, factories, lakes.. You seem to like guns alot, as do I, have quite a few myself, people would be able to "enforce" the idea of not killing others, stealing other's PROPERTY, apart from the means of production.. Again, communism is when the workers, the people, live in a society without any state leadership.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Horsecrap

    socialism is the plaint of failures or the greedy who wish to gain power by pandering to them
    You don't even know what socialism is. Horse crap? You deny that Martin luther king, albert einstein, nelson mandela (Although he was a communist..) were socialist minded? Socialism is for the greedy? Are you serious? Socialism advocates giving the workers equal ownership of the work places they work in, not just a capitalist owning it for his own profit.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    prove your point....here!
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    Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh?...then what is your enforcement to stop me from hording?....holding land?
    First of all, why would you want to own a farm for yourself if no profit motive exists, when you can collectively share and work together with others?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
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    They would exist without the state, capitalism at it's core relies on everything I've said above, you've already admitted this.
    No, it really wouldn't. Without the ability to control the sale of competing products there is no way to build an empire.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    posting two links about people does not prove anything...........how did socialism build factories?
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what do capitalist do without regulation?... and when have we ever seen a time of no regulation?

    and really... durign this alleged time of no regulation.. .why did we not revert back to feudalism like you say we would?
    A state existed, although the state essentially put no regulations on capitalism, we're talking about anarcho-capitalism here.
    Capitalists without regulation?
    Hong Kong
    Pre-regulation America
    The Congo
    Haiti
    Nicaragua, to name a few.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it really wouldn't. Without the ability to control the sale of competing products there is no way to build an empire.
    You would control the sale by lowering prices to where competitor's can't compete, many other ways.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    First I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.



    Again I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.



    I totally agree
    , no different than Obama investing in solar and the like. But I have no problem with protest, million man marches, lobbyist etc etc trying to speak out for their special interest. That is their right. I understand from your comments you want to ban these groups from speaking out on their behalf. Further these groups are not the power of government and some are well financed and some are not and they can be on the different side of an issue.

    This is no different than you wanting to protect the constitution against others wanting to ignore it. Thus you have two lobbyist groups, one trying to insure it and the other trying to ignore it. We also have a third branch of government called the judicial.
    http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch105/T105-7.php

    I didn't say I don't agree with lobbying, I said lobbying for special interest in terms of governmental fiscal policy to support specific firms, like bailouts, or trade protection.

    How does big pharmaceutical asking for subsidies ignore the constitution? Because it's asking for an econOmic tax break from a institution that doesn't have that constitutional power.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if communism has no state, then how are the people secure?

    how does communism "enforce itself" if it has no state.
    ..and that is where the academic theory of Communism runs headlong into the massive brick wall labeled "reality".

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