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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Monopolies are largely a creation of the state, so again, your argument is centered on the support network, not capitalism.
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    They would exist without the state, capitalism at it's core relies on everything I've said above, you've already admitted this.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    There is nothing to enforce, it is a stateless society with collective ownership of production, things like farms, factories, lakes.. You seem to like guns alot, as do I, have quite a few myself, people would be able to "enforce" the idea of not killing others, stealing other's PROPERTY, apart from the means of production..
    really....then as an individual suppose i wish to go off and do my own thing.... own my own land, farm it ,hunt, fish, and use the resources of it...can i?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialism concentrates the parasitic nature of losers into an unwholesome force
    Losers? Martin Luther King was a socialist, albert einstein, heck, socialism at it's core is giving the people who actually built the factories, the ****ing factories.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really....then as an individual suppose i wish to go off and do my own thing.... own my own land, farm it ,hunt, fish, and use the resources of it...can i?
    If you wanted to, yes, farming would be accessible to all though, one wouldn't hoard food for themselves, unless their already is a massive surplus. You wouldn't have private ownership of land that can be used to benefit others, but you need to understand you would be able to hunt, fish..

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    There is nothing to enforce, it is a stateless society with collective ownership of production, things like farms, factories, lakes.. You seem to like guns alot, as do I, have quite a few myself, people would be able to "enforce" the idea of not killing others, stealing other's PROPERTY, apart from the means of production.. Again, communism is when the workers, the people, live in a society without any state leadership.
    I can't help but notice you say "apart from the means of production". Communism is the strange the idea that people have the right to own a toothbrush, but not a business.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Losers? Martin Luther King was a socialist, albert einstein, heck, socialism at it's core is giving the people who actually built the factories, the ****ing factories.
    Horsecrap

    socialism is the plaint of failures or the greedy who wish to gain power by pandering to them
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Losers? Martin Luther King was a socialist, albert einstein, heck, socialism at it's core is giving the people who actually built the factories, the ****ing factories.
    prove your point....here!

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    We've seen what capitalists do without regulation, it's not hard. If anything, we'd revert back to feudalism.
    what do capitalist do without regulation?... and when have we ever seen a time of no regulation?

    and really... durign this alleged time of no regulation.. .why did we not revert back to feudalism like you say we would?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not going to happen. and its funny watching you all whine about the power of the wealthy when you want to create an entity powerful enough to cap the wealth of the wealthy. In other words, your solution to something you see as evil is to create even worse evil
    Its about achieving a reasonable balance of power.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Private property in regards to the means of production, which the owners obviously don't manage on their own or build on their own. I don't call for that, I think it follows like this, if done ideally over a long span of time: Democracy(Not a plutocracy, RIP my idea)-Democratic Socialism-Communism
    We disagree fundamentally.
    No, what you want is community owned property that individual people do not have the right to use as they see fit.

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