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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Do You tHink that government should have the power to impose trade regulations and specific tariffs to certain companies, and then open non regulations to others only because certain companies can afford a lobbyist?
    First I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.

    Do You understand what the economic effects of a export subsidy has on the American people or what about other trade protection policies, these fiscal policies are not the power the government should have as well as special interest taking advantage through campaign contributions.
    Again I don't buy the argument that an industry gets special treatment because they can afford a lobbyist? That's a straw-man.

    You call yourself a conservative but you don't understand the guidelines of the constitution. I can get millions of people to agree that a dog is a fish and my company specializes in protecting sea life on land, does that mean the federal government has the power to enforce a subsidy, or negative tax, towards my special interest? No, what the federal government literally only has the power to do is protect the constitution and citizens of the participating States.

    I totally agree
    , no different than Obama investing in solar and the like. But I have no problem with protest, million man marches, lobbyist etc etc trying to speak out for their special interest. That is their right. I understand from your comments you want to ban these groups from speaking out on their behalf. Further these groups are not the power of government and some are well financed and some are not and they can be on the different side of an issue.

    This is no different than you wanting to protect the constitution against others wanting to ignore it. Thus you have two lobbyist groups, one trying to insure it and the other trying to ignore it. We also have a third branch of government called the judicial.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    our government is controlled by the rich powerful, thru the efforts of lobbying.

    the rich and powerful are faction, they are special interest, democratic forms of government have many factions within them which is why founders hate democratic forms of government, and created our government on a republican form of government, not a democratic one.

    with our current government today the senate has been turn into a democracy with the 17th amendment, as it was an aristocracy before that [ in name only ], meaning the senators would be chosen by the state legislatures.

    by doing this pre-17th...... power is DIVIDED in congress, the people are represented in the house, while the states are represented in the senate, so you have .........two opposing interest with are being served.

    today only one interest that served, because both houses of congress are democratic, faction thru the efforts of lobbying, control that single interest which all centralized in Washington.

    if we had no 17th, then there again would be two interests, one in Washington and one in the 50 states legislatures.

    since one interest would be in the 50 states, lobbying could not take place in the senate anymore, lobbyist would have to lobby at least 26 states, by physically visiting the actual states, and lobbying its legislatures, which would makeup thousand of people they would have to lobby, instead of just lobbying single senators.

    the only way to stop the rich and powerful elite from controlling our federal government, is to cut their lobbying ability, and return to the original constitution.

    Madison states in federalist #10 of how bad democratic forms of government are that they have many factious combinations [which are dreaded]then republican forms of government, which is why america was created a republic and not a democracy.

    "The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter. "


    by returning to the original constitution which the founders created.... to check the powers of lobbyist using the federal government, we can began to turn our nation around.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    My experiences count since I live in the real world. And I graduated from college many many years ago.

    I co-own my company and Im making good money so I am quite happy with the system- sure it can be improved with less taxes and eliminating minimum wage but on the whole capitalism works, its proven itself superior to communism in every which way and so it baffles me as to why there are still believers in a failed economic theory like communism.
    Your experiences mean nothing, you're one of the lucky few, 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day.. It can be improved by eliminating the minimum wage? We see the conditions in countries without some sort of actual minimum wage, what our country was like before the minimum wage.. that's a ****ing joke. Lower taxes on who, multi billion dollar businesses? Typical libertarian. Communism has never been tried, and you say in every way, comparing what? Cuba to The united states?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Your experiences mean nothing, you're one of the lucky few, 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day.. It can be improved by eliminating the minimum wage? We see the conditions in countries without some sort of actual minimum wage, what our country was like before the minimum wage.. Lower taxes? Typical libertarian. Communism has never been tried, and you say in every way, comparing what? Cuba to The united states?
    It's typical of a liberal/socialist/communist to just look at the total amount of money earned and nothing else.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Your experiences mean nothing, you're one of the lucky few, 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day.. It can be improved by eliminating the minimum wage? We see the conditions in countries without some sort of actual minimum wage, what our country was like before the minimum wage.. that's a ****ing joke. Lower taxes on who, multi billion dollar businesses? Typical libertarian. Communism has never been tried, and you say in every way, comparing what? Cuba to The united states?
    here hear this same story time and time again,.....if they would only allow true communism to be put into practice it would work....and the people who say that are always the ones who think they can make it work.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Capitalism defines the labor market as a societal agreed upon even trade. So I trade someone capital for an amount of output, however the distinguishing point of value of labor would need to be directed by a few people as well as society to force the individual to accept it. So, regardless of the sustainability of any service job in a communist society, a short order cook would be forced to take low wage jobs yet in capitalism the individual who is in contract with employer has the freedom to transfer capital or labor. Meaning, if the wage is too low they won't take the job.

    You suggest capitalism exploits people, however it's only through state that any firm can actually benefit off of exploitation. "We have to pay the workers enough to buy the cars' Henry ford
    The way the system works, you have to work to survive by acquiring money, you don't really "agree," when 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day, if people could just switch to different jobs so easily, I think they would to "balance" it out, no, it needs regulation. Wages in terms of capital wouldn't exist under communism. The freedom is ridiculous, you think if people could actually get a decent deal, 80% of the world wouldn't live on less then $10 a day. Really? They won't take the job? They have no ****ing choice, money, acquired from capitalists, is used to buy food, distributed by capitalists, jesus christ. It does exploit people, have you seen Haiti? Most third world countries? China? India? You keep stating henry ford, when the majority of capitalists don't even follow his mentality, it's why capitalists exploit laborers in countries without regulations.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's typical of a liberal/socialist/communist to just look at the total amount of money earned and nothing else.
    I'm sorry, I'm sure less then $10 a day can provide a comfortable life, not just subsistence, which is the great burden of the capitalist, workers need enough to be fed, sometimes even that is a burden, which is why we have people making less then $1.25 a day.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here hear this same story time and time again,.....if they would only allow true communism to be put into practice it would work....and the people who say that are always the ones who think they can make it work.
    Literally, communism, by definition, has no state. I don't see how anything has come close.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    How can a truly socialist country feed to world. Please explain economically
    We already produce enough food to comfortably feed 10 billion people, a method of distributing with the mindset of use value and not exchange value would work, however, the capitalist influence on food production is to great as it stands.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Literally, communism, by definition, has no state. I don't see how anything has come close.
    communism is built on force, not liberty

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