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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although ordinary citizens can vote in national elections, the candidates must have funding that is backed by organizations that are controlled by those with wealth. As such the choices are limited.

    Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?
    I say yes because the wealthy can lobby congress to impose certain economic policies to sustain the certain industry they are currently involved in. So a wealthy union will force close shop laws as well as a company impose lobbying to have subsidies etc etc.

    I think the fact that a lot of American voters don't vote or pay enough attention to geopolitics that they don't really oppose the the funding.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, the worker is not paid for the amount he is producing, almost always with a massive gap. Why would someone take part in a trade when they get nothing from it? It's exploitation, you support my case, the capitalist relies on not giving the laborer a fair payment for his labor, in order to achieve profit.
    Capitalism defines the labor market as a societal agreed upon even trade. So I trade someone capital for an amount of output, however the distinguishing point of value of labor would need to be directed by a few people as well as society to force the individual to accept it. So, regardless of the sustainability of any service job in a communist society, a short order cook would be forced to take low wage jobs yet in capitalism the individual who is in contract with employer has the freedom to transfer capital or labor. Meaning, if the wage is too low they won't take the job.

    You suggest capitalism exploits people, however it's only through state that any firm can actually benefit off of exploitation. "We have to pay the workers enough to buy the cars' Henry ford

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Define "the wealthy."

    Better yet, define "rich."
    I'm not going to give a rigorous definition. That said examples given earlier are Soros, Adelson, Koch brothers.
    Well, the reason I posted that is because a "rigorous definition" isn't possible for either - and you just demonstrated that. Indeed, both are completely relative terms - yet people like to use them in contexts like this as if they are definitive, easily understood, known and accepted by all - AN EASY STANDARD BY WHICH WE MIGHT JUDGE SOMEONE "GUILTY."

    And yet, they are anything but.

    When we start looking at someone with more money than we have, or more money than someone else has to decry them for their "riches" and "wealth" - we judge them accordingly, and when we do we err in an extremely egregious, unjust, and unfair manner.

    If as you and so many others here are asserting, that the "wealthy" are easily identifiable people like Soros, Adelson, the Koch brothers, et. al. - and that in a thread that is denouncing such people for being "the wealthy," then who - by whatever "rigorous definition" you can put forth for us - who by your definition is NOT guilty?

    I'll give you some help - you can't do it. It's not possible, by ANY definition, however "rigorous" one might think it.

    People here are equating guilt with wealth; they are judging an impossible to define group of people for what? For having more money (and in this context more power thereby). More money than what? What is the standard of guilt here?

    Impossible to define - and therefore totally unjust to be pronouncing anyone guilty on that basis. Totally unjust.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    no they do not. no communist i know who claims that label falls for the delusion of nonviolence
    If true that is very sad.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    So, giving the means of production to the people, not a individual person, making sure everyone has food... You can't stand this idea, and that's ok, I know the person you are.
    How can a truly socialist country feed to world. Please explain economically

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If true that is very sad.
    not as sad as your desire for corporate feudalism
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although ordinary citizens can vote in national elections, the candidates must have funding that is backed by organizations that are controlled by those with wealth. As such the choices are limited.

    Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?


    Of course they do.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Of course they do... and it has been that way throughout history. Wealth and political clout tend to go hand in hand, one way or another. Especially extreme wealth,


    Like George Soros, to name one.


    Like the Koch brothers to name two!
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    not as sad as your desire for corporate feudalism
    What? Corporations are a creation of the state.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It's a condition of life under capitalism and where a system like we have regarding money exists.
    How do you calculate when production should expand or retract more efficiently without money

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