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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So someone that is opposed to the state would support a wealth cap imposed by the state?
    Oh, I'm fundamentally against the state, but I realize that the state won't go away any time soon, can do some good things, a wealth cap being one of them. I'm talking about a wealth cap that is insanely high though. I also realize capitalism can do good things, but the bad aspects far outweigh the positive aspects, I like to evaluate all sides.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Oh, I'm fundamentally against the state, but I realize that the state can do good things, a wealth cap being one of them. I'm talking about a wealth cap that is insanely high though.
    So ok, your plan is to eliminate the state and your path to get there involves implementing a wealth cap. Yes, so instead of decreasing the power of the state you're big plan is to give the government the power to determine the maximum amount of wealth someone can obtain. Exactly how does that makes sense? You do realize that if you are going to eliminate the state you actually have to move in that direction, right?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So ok, your plan is to eliminate the state and your path to get there involves implementing a wealth cap. Yes, so instead of decreasing the power of the state you're big plan is to give the government the power to determine the maximum amount of wealth someone can obtain. Exactly how does that makes sense? You do realize that if you are going to eliminate the state you actually have to move in that direction, right?
    I don't have a plan, I just agree with the tenets of communism. Do you have a plan to take down the state?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I don't have a plan, I just agree with the tenets of communism. Do you have a plan to take down the state?
    I was actually playing on how communists like yourself try to put in place their system. They first do everything they can to empower the state and then somehow exact that it will lead to no state at all. The only possible way to eliminate the state is to strip the power from it first. You can't give the government complete control of everything and then somehow flip the switch to a stateless society.

    Whenever I talk to communists I'm always left with the impression that they believe state power is a circle that leads to no government at all. Sorry, but it's a hill and you can't go down the hill by riding up the hill.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was actually playing on how communists like yourself try to put in place their system. They first do everything they can to empower the state and then somehow exact that it will lead to no state at all. The only possible way to eliminate the state is to strip the power from it first. You can't give the government complete control of everything and then somehow flip the switch to a stateless society.
    Yeah, I think the way Lenin/Mao/etc wanted to do things was a horrible idea, but I can understand the logic behind it. The issue is, stripping the powers includes screwing almost all of the population, I mean, the state does a **** ton of things that are already put in place and maintained by the state, it'd be a very very slow conversion, or immediate and violent.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I understand your inability to answer the question.... and , yes, i understand your POV.. it's not unlike any other communist POV that i've been witness to since the mid-60's
    the POV, the rhetoric, the propaganda...even the inability to apply communist principles to real life circumstances.... it's all very familiar.
    LOL yeah its always the same isnt it? Socialists that I encounter online are usually young students who have never been out in the real world- they live a sheltered existence and they think their theories are the answer to everything. It sure as heck doesnt last when cold hard reality finally hits them in the face years later.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    LOL yeah its always the same isnt it? Socialists that I encounter online are usually young students who have never been out in the real world- they live a sheltered existence and they think their theories are the answer to everything. It sure as heck doesnt last when cold hard reality finally hits them in the face years later.
    Sounds like most college libertarians yelling about how sexy the unregulated free market is and how it gives them massive wood without taking a history class or looking at the world. Talking crap about either side without presenting an actual argument does nothing.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yeah, I think the way Lenin/Mao/etc wanted to do things was a horrible idea, but I can understand the logic behind it. The issue is, stripping the powers includes screwing almost all of the population, I mean, the state does a **** ton of things that are already put in place and maintained by the state, it'd be a very very slow conversion, or immediate and violent.
    Think of how people approach the state and how they defend its laws from any opposition. You can't take a people that worship the state to varying degrees and just turn off the machine nor can you empower the machine and expect they will like it less. You have to approach the topic in steps and slowly dismantle their attachment to the state, and then and only then eliminate it.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Think of how people approach the state and how they defend its laws from any opposition. You can't take a people that worship the state to varying degrees and just turn off the machine nor can you empower the machine and expect they will like it less. You have to approach the topic in steps and slowly dismantle their attachment to the state, and then and only then eliminate it.
    I can agree to an extent, in the future this would seem more viable, if we the people found ways to take over things the state had been doing in an efficient way, I believe we can, maybe.. Question though, are you an anarcho-capitalist? You want to abolish the state, and seem to support capitalism.
    Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as free-market anarchism,[2] market anarchism,[3] private-property anarchism,[4] libertarian anarchism[5]) is a political philosophy which advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets (laissez-faire capitalism).

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Sounds like most college libertarians yelling about how sexy the unregulated free market is and how it gives them massive wood without taking a history class or looking at the world. Talking crap about either side without presenting an actual argument does nothing.
    it's true that young people are barely acquainted with reality...no matter what ideology they adhere to.

    us older libertarians are very much friends with reality, though.
    ( the "free market" doesn't give me wood... I'm only turned on by things that actually exist)

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