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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is it exploitation to hire cheap labor?
    I'll give you a dumbed down example: A sweatshop worker makes $100 in clothing per hour, the capitalist realizes this worker doesn't have minimum wage protection, etc.. and only pays the worker 25 cents an hour, which is way more then what sweatshop workers actually make on average (Mexico is 3.00 per day on average I think?), but none the less, you can see how I oppose it, you may not follow the labor theory of value, but I do, so we will always disagree.
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you call competition exploitation while you want servitude imposed by a government of the failures

    capitalism appeals to the best and the brightest and encourages people to be better and brighter. Your system appeals to failures and and encourages people to let others do the heavy lifting
    If competition involves purposefully going to countries without regulations, a minimum wage, etc.. and finding the cheapest laborers and barely paying them enough to live, then yes, competition sounds wonderful. That is the real "competition" between capitalists. Capitalism appeals to the best and brightest? Encourages people? 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day, are they just not trying hard enough, or is it the system that is broken? My system, appeals to failures? Capitalism appeals to those who love the idea that food can be sold for a profit, that the world produces enough food to feed 10 billion, yet, we somehow can't distribute that, (exchange value is used over use value..) Let others do the heavy lifting? YOU MEAN THE FREAKING WORKERS working in the factories who may want to collectively own the factory for the benefit of everyone, not just the capitalist? LOL.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'll give you a dumbed down example: A sweatshop worker makes $100 in clothing per hour, the capitalist realizes this worker doesn't have minimum wage protection, etc.. and only pays the worker 25 cents an hour, which is way more, but none the less, you can see how I oppose it, you may not follow the labor theory of value, but I do, so we will always disagree.
    so how much should the worker in your scenario receive in wages?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'll give you a dumbed down example: A sweatshop worker makes $100 in clothing per hour, the capitalist realizes this worker doesn't have minimum wage protection, etc.. and only pays the worker 25 cents an hour, which is way more, but none the less, you can see how I oppose it, you may not follow the labor theory of value, but I do, so we will always disagree.
    Yes, you oppose captialists because they buy the cheapest product. Your position is no better than someone that doesn't like people that shop at wal-mart because in their opinion everyone should pay more at mom and pop shops.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    If competition involves purposefully going to countries without regulations, a minimum wage, etc.. and finding the cheapest laborers and barely paying them enough to live, then yes, competition sounds wonderful. That is the real "competition" between capitalists. Capitalism appeals to the best and brightest? Encourages people? 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day, are they just not trying hard enough, or is it the system that is broken? My system, appeals to failures? Capitalism appeals to those who love the idea that food can be sold for a profit, that the world produces enough food to feed 10 billion, yet, we somehow can't distribute that, (exchange value is used over use value..) Let others do the heavy lifting? YOU MEAN THE FREAKING WORKERS working in the factories who may want to collectively own the factory for the benefit of everyone, not just the capitalist? LOL.
    hey if a bunch of people get together and say-lets start a business and they all contribute and agree to run and own the business equally-so be it. your system involves the government taking the factory from those who built it and giving it to those who work there. Sorry I oppose that kind of crap
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so how much should the worker in your scenario receive in wages?
    That's the very problem, congratulations on finding it. The capitalist will always need to make a profit, the laborer will never receive the value of their labor, this can be helped in heavily regulated countries, but theres a reason it's like this.... Just think about it

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    If competition involves purposefully going to countries without regulations, a minimum wage, etc.. and finding the cheapest laborers and barely paying them enough to live, then yes, competition sounds wonderful. That is the real "competition" between capitalists. Capitalism appeals to the best and brightest? Encourages people? 80% of the world makes less then $10 a day, are they just not trying hard enough, or is it the system that is broken? My system, appeals to failures? Capitalism appeals to those who love the idea that food can be sold for a profit, that the world produces enough food to feed 10 billion, yet, we somehow can't distribute that, (exchange value is used over use value..) Let others do the heavy lifting? YOU MEAN THE FREAKING WORKERS working in the factories who may want to collectively own the factory for the benefit of everyone, not just the capitalist? LOL.
    do you know what you call workers who collectively own the factory?


    capitalists.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    That's the very problem, congratulations on finding it. The capitalist will always need to make a profit, the laborer will never receive the value of their labor, this can be helped in heavily regulated countries, but theres a reason it's like this.... Just think about it
    you didn't answer the question...

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    hey if a bunch of people get together and say-lets start a business and they all contribute and agree to run and own the business equally-so be it. your system involves the government taking the factory from those who built it and giving it to those who work there. Sorry I oppose that kind of crap
    LOL? Built the factory? You mean the "owner" who sat back while laborers built it. Jesus.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    do you know what you call workers who collectively own the factory?


    capitalists.
    Nope, as they wouldn't be owning it to create a profit in terms of wealth.

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