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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is failing, the wealth gap, the reliance on holding down countries to exploit labor, It may be 'working' for the capitalists, and in countries with heavy regulations for the poor/middle class (Social programs), but it doesn't 'work' anywhere else. (Somalia, Haiti, Hong Kong, Russia, Honduras, Somalia, heck, the entire under developed world..)
    no, it's not failing.... and you don't have a very good idea of what it is or what it does.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not making the case that capitalism is all warm and fuzzy and looking to change the world with it's warm heart, but making the case that labor is like anything else and is treated like it. You're trying to pretend that capitalism is evil because capitalists are looking for the best deal, but it has nothing to do with being good or bad, but with not overpaying for what you're looking to buy.

    If you were looking to hire a contractor to do some work for you I have no doubt you would not hire the guy that wants to charge you twice as much for the job, so why do you expect employers to do it?
    Then don't you understand why I don't agree with such a system?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialism sucks. its contrary to human nature, appeals to the lowest common denominator and is a ploy used by the power hungry to gain wealth and power illegitimately
    You have no idea what human nature is, it goes both ways, and is influenced by factors in place, capitalism ENCOURAGES what we know as human nature today. It appeals to the workers who want to control the means of production. Power hungry? Capitalism isn't a way for those that are power hungry to get wealth and power illegitimately by exploiting the labor of actual hard working people?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Then don't you understand why I don't agree with such a system?
    I honestly think you don't know why you disagree with it. Tell me, would you hire the more expensive contractor even if the quality of his work is not any better than his cheaper competitor?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is failing, the wealth gap, the reliance on holding down countries to exploit labor, It may be 'working' for the capitalists, and in countries with heavy regulations for the poor/middle class (Social programs), but it doesn't 'work' anywhere else. (Somalia, Haiti, Hong Kong, Russia, Honduras, Somalia, heck, the entire under developed world..)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is not working fine, have you seen what has happened without heavy regulations? What happens to countries that the capitalists exploit labor from? It may appear to work for first world countries, but it ****s everyone else, and relies on ****ing everyone else to sell cheap products to the first world to roll in profit, don't get me started on wall street... Jesus. Socialist attempts to screw it up.... Let me ask you, do you want workers to own the means of production? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I want to know if you're ok with that aspect.
    Workers have " NEVER owned the means of production " in a Socialist or Communist society.

    Thats may have been the promise, the propaganda handed out to the naive and ignorant masses to revolt and instill some dictator who then gives the means of production to the State.

    After that " the Workers " get to deal with the corruption and inefficiencies of Central planners.

    When Chavez in Venezuela Nationalized their wealth producing industries he did it under the pretense of handing the means of production over to the workers.

    Now Venezuela is a basket case and just another example of how destructive the Socialist ideology is.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, it's not failing.... and you don't have a very good idea of what it is or what it does.
    Capitalism is, essentially, a system where the trade and industry are controlled/by private owners for their profit. This can encompass many things like wage labor, competitive markets, etc... Am I wrong?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I honestly think you don't know why you disagree with it. Tell me, would you hire the more expensive contractor even if the quality of his work is not any better than his cheaper competitor?
    I disagree with it because it thrives on exploitation, along with many other reasons.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Workers have " NEVER owned the means of production " in a Socialist or Communist society.

    Thats may have been the promise, the propaganda handed out to the naive and ignorant masses to revolt and instill some dictator who then gives the means of production to the State.

    After that " the Workers " get to deal with the corruption and inefficiencies of Central planners.

    When Chavez in Venezuela Nationalized their wealth producing industries he did it under the pretense of handing the means of production over to the workers.

    Now Venezuela is a basket case and just another example of how destructive the Socialist ideology is.
    I know they haven't, which sucks, I don't actually think any of those states were "democracies" either though.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I disagree with it because it thrives on exploitation, along with many other reasons.
    Why is it exploitation to hire cheap labor?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I disagree with it because it thrives on exploitation, along with many other reasons.
    you call competition exploitation while you want servitude imposed by a government of the failures

    capitalism appeals to the best and the brightest and encourages people to be better and brighter. Your system appeals to failures and and encourages people to let others do the heavy lifting
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