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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Compared to what? Feudalism? Capitalism is not sustainable as time goes on, Feudalism was not working, and now, capitalism isn't working, people are beginning to realize this. I like to focus on more then one country instead of being willfully ignorant of the rest of the world, sorry. Good way to ignore my entire post by the way.
    capitalism is working fine. the biggest problem are the socialist attempts to screw it up by promising too many people too many government goodies in order to buy their votes when there isn't enough money to pay for all that crap
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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I'm not going to give a rigorous definition. That said examples given earlier are Soros, Adelson, Koch brothers.
    When we are talking about the kind of wealthy that buys politicians we aren't talking about people who fly first class everywhere. We are talking about people who own their own jets.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Communism, by definition, has no state.
    Yes, capitalism is failing, however, regulations and control by the state help to alleviate/slow this, we all know what happens when capitalism goes wild without any regulation, history shows this.
    capitalism isn't failing.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    capitalism is working fine. the biggest problem are the socialist attempts to screw it up by promising too many people too many government goodies in order to buy their votes when there isn't enough money to pay for all that crap
    It is not working fine, have you seen what has happened without heavy regulations? What happens to countries that the capitalists exploit labor from? It may appear to work for first world countries, but it ****s everyone else, and relies on ****ing everyone else to sell cheap products to the first world to roll in profit, don't get me started on wall street... Jesus. Socialist attempts to screw it up.... Let me ask you, do you want workers to own the means of production? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I want to know if you're ok with that aspect.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Communism, by definition, has no state.
    Yes, capitalism is failing, however, regulations and control by the state help to alleviate/slow this, we all know what happens when capitalism goes wild without any regulation, history shows this.
    No its not.

    Socialism is failing and miserably. Capitalism thrives unless corrupted via progressive mandates and economic " solutions " based on " fairness " and " equality ".

    Its what led to the 2008 Financial crisis and its what's corrupting the American economy currently.

    Its a ignorant and lazy analysis to blame what's going on now on " Capitalism " and it's willfull ignorance to ignore the blatant failures of Socialism all over the world

    And yes, we all know " Socialism doesn't really exist " and " Communism hasnt ever been effectively applied "...

    It the same ridiculous excuse from ideologues who like to pretend that theyve stumbled accross a innovative solution to problems that only exist in their own heads

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although ordinary citizens can vote in national elections, the candidates must have funding that is backed by organizations that are controlled by those with wealth. As such the choices are limited.

    Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?
    More wealth is getting into their hands off the backs of many.

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    capitalism isn't failing.
    It is failing, the wealth gap, the reliance on holding down countries to exploit labor, It may be 'working' for the capitalists, and in countries with heavy regulations for the poor/middle class (Social programs), but it doesn't 'work' anywhere else. (Somalia, Haiti, Hong Kong, Russia, Honduras, Somalia, heck, the entire under developed world..)

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Because laborers are human beings, and it really shows how most capitalists will always exploit the cheapest labor, it's no surprise they fought against unions, the minimum wage, child labor laws.. It all affects the profit. I don't know man, I don't think all capitalists are bad particularly small business owners, but god damn, you're not helping your case.
    I'm not making the case that capitalism is all warm and fuzzy and looking to change the world with it's warm heart, but making the case that labor is like anything else and is treated like it. You're trying to pretend that capitalism is evil because capitalists are looking for the best deal, but it has nothing to do with being good or bad, but with not overpaying for what you're looking to buy.

    If you were looking to hire a contractor to do some work for you I have no doubt you would not hire the guy that wants to charge you twice as much for the job, so why do you expect employers to do it?

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No its not.

    Socialism is failing and miserably. Capitalism thrives unless corrupted via progressive mandates and economic " solutions " based on " fairness " and " equality ".

    Its what led to the 2008 Financial crisis and its what's corrupting the American economy currently.

    Its a ignorant and lazy analysis to blame what's going on now on " Capitalism " and it's willfull ignorance to ignore the blatant failures of Socialism all over the world

    And yes, we all know " Socialism doesn't really exist " and " Communism hasnt ever been effectively applied "...

    It the same ridiculous excuse from ideologues who like to pretend that theyve stumbled accross a innovative solution to problems that only exist in their own heads
    You show me a "communist" state, which sounds ridiculous already, since communism is a system without a state, which, therefore. Bleh, not even worth explaining.
    Socialism is failing? That is why the most socialist minded countries with socialist minded policies are doing fantastic, apart from hardly democratic countries with a history of revolutions, instability, etc..
    Capitalism doesn't thrive without regulations! Don't you remember America in the past, england in the past, the time before labor unions, minimum wage, industrial safety..
    Really? Show me how it was caused by regulations and not the failure of capitalists. The origins of the financial crisis: Crash course | The Economist

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    Re: Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is not working fine, have you seen what has happened without heavy regulations? What happens to countries that the capitalists exploit labor from? It may appear to work for first world countries, but it ****s everyone else, and relies on ****ing everyone else to sell cheap products to the first world to roll in profit, don't get me started on wall street... Jesus. Socialist attempts to screw it up.... Let me ask you, do you want workers to own the means of production? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I want to know if you're ok with that aspect.
    socialism sucks. its contrary to human nature, appeals to the lowest common denominator and is a ploy used by the power hungry to gain wealth and power illegitimately
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