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Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?[W:118]

Should the State force Sally to be ****'d by white men?


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Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution shouldn't be legal in the first place.

I can't see the benefit of keeping it illegal. It's the world's oldest profession, or so they tell me. Short of a nightmare totalitarian dystopia, you're not putting that genie back in the bottle.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution is the sexual exploitation of (mostly) women and children. It encourages human trafficking and slavery. It is, quite simply, anathema to justice and threads like this-- treating human sexuality like any other business-- only demonstrate this.

The customers of prostitutes are rapists and should be punished accordingly.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution is the sexual exploitation of (mostly) women and children. It encourages human trafficking and slavery. It is, quite simply, anathema to justice and threads like this-- treating human sexuality like any other business-- only demonstrate this.

The customers of prostitutes are rapists and should be punished accordingly.

Wow! I was like there with you all the way down the road and then hit that last line and bailed.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution is the sexual exploitation of (mostly) women and children. It encourages human trafficking and slavery. It is, quite simply, anathema to justice and threads like this-- treating human sexuality like any other business-- only demonstrate this.

The customers of prostitutes are rapists and should be punished accordingly.

Prostitution is a choice. Women have to pay consequences for their choices just like everyone else. It's not the job of the govt to make moral pronouncements on their actions. It's hypocritical to arrest women for taking money for something they can do for free with no legal action.

But legalizing it and regulating it as a business would provide protections for women. And it still shouldnt be legal for minors, just like cigarettes or alcohol or voting.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

it is quite natural and reasonable to be defensive when polemics are employed.....

No, it's not. It implies you have something to hide, your defenses are razor-thin, or both.

that you would see their defensiveness as anything other than natural is extraordinary odd.

employ polemics against anyone, on any basis, and you'll see similar results.... add in issues of a deeply personal nature ( such as faith), and the level of defensiveness is assured to increase.

you're basically saying " It's stupid that Christians get butt hurt when I attack them"...

"Attack"? You think polemics are an attack? Wow, you just supported the point I made earlier. If we were to start rounding up Christians and throwing them to the lions, THAT would be an attack. (FWIW, I would fiercely oppose doing anything like that.) But their beliefs are fair game. If they don't like it, then too bad, conservative Christians, keep your views to yourself and out of our laws, out of our politics, and off our news programming. Your leader preached that you reap what you sow. To sow discord and to claim to be the victim when you're called on it is cowardice, pure and simple.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

An interesting question that got asked.


Sally decides to go to Nevada and become a prostitute. She wants to go to college later on, and needs the money.

Sally, however, is black, and has traumatic memories of being racially discriminated against / abused / what-have-you by white men. So Sally decides she's not willing to have sex with white men - it's too personal, too painful.


Should the state force Sally to have sex with white men, against her will? Should the state force her to be sexually penetrated by the men who will re-awaken her trauma, or punish her if she doesn't want to?
It would be wrong, of course, to "force" her , BUT , if 99 to 89% of the clientele are "white", and this "discrimination" causes dollars to be lost , then she would have to compromise or be fired ..
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

If Sally is a legally recognized prostitute in the state of Nevada and thus her product is sex, then denying that product to individuals based upon their race is by definition discrimination.

If it is that big of a deal with Sally, then she is certainly free to find another profession to work in and thus would never have to sell her product (sex with her) to a white man.

It's easier then that, as an independent contractor Sally has a contractual relationship with clients for that service, you don't drive up to the window, order Sally number 5 and proceed to your glory hole, there's negotiation before hand, so it's not public accommodation.

So the easiest way to explain how I feel, a bakery should be able to refuse to cater specific events, like a wedding, but if a gay man wants a cake that says happy birthday Clarence right off of the Shelf the baker should not be able to refuse.

That's how it would work if I were benevolent dictator of the world
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution is a choice. Women have to pay consequences for their choices just like everyone else. It's not the job of the govt to make moral pronouncements on their actions. It's hypocritical to arrest women for taking money for something they can do for free with no legal action.

But legalizing it and regulating it as a business would provide protections for women. And it still shouldnt be legal for minors, just like cigarettes or alcohol or voting.

Yet minors drink and smoke all the time because it's easy to access.

Your argument is self refuting. I hope you would agree with me that sex without consent is rape, and no woman should submit to rape to keep her job. But if we legalized and regulated prostitution like any other business, eventually a discrimination suit will be filed, and a state judge will tell the hooker "have sex with this man or face penalties and lose your sex worker license" call me a cynic but really it will be a matter of time before the state starts ordering women to submit to rape if prostitution is generally legal
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I sawe this example a couple days ago and wondered when the echo chamber would get around to bringing it here. It is a good example of what is wrong with the echo chamber, no fact checking, repeating stupid memes, and generally failing to think for themselves. First off, as best I can tell(I will admit to not finding it explicitly stated), it appears brothels are private clubs. You do not just walk into a brothel like a bar, but buzz for admittance. Also, the prostitutes themselves are not private contractors, which changes the rules somewhat. But that aside, based on anecdote, prostitutes are required to sleep with whoever is let in:

Working In Nevada:

So it looks like you trying to equate one thing with something completely different because you want them to be the same so you can make a lame point you heard in the echo chamber fails.

I heard it from another poster :shrug: I agree I thought it a good question - are those who wish to push the illegality of any discrimination willing to enforce rulings against racial discrimination if it means forcing a woman to receive sexual acts she does not want to? Do they recognize a limiting principle? If so - can they elucidate it?

Thus far it seems the answer to the last is, "no".

But I can't help but notice you didn't really answer the question? You seem to suggest it by the blog you linked - are you indeed willing to state that the State should either force Sally to sleep with white men, or punish her for her refusal to do so?
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

It would be wrong, of course, to "force" her

So you believe that Sally should be allowed to get away with racial discrimination in who she sells her goods or services to? Why?
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I heard it from another poster :shrug: I agree I thought it a good question - are those who wish to push the illegality of any discrimination willing to enforce rulings against racial discrimination if it means forcing a woman to receive sexual acts she does not want to? Do they recognize a limiting principle? If so - can they elucidate it?

Thus far it seems the answer to the last is, "no".

But I can't help but notice you didn't really answer the question? You seem to suggest it by the blog you linked - are you indeed willing to state that the State should either force Sally to sleep with white men, or punish her for her refusal to do so?

I did answer the question, you just did not like the answer.

1) Prostitutes who work in Nevada brothels are required, by their employer, to take whichever customer asks for them

2) Brothels are not public accommodations and therefore not subject to public accomodation laws.

3) Brothel workers are private contractors, which means they are not public accommodations.

4) Even if brothels where public accommodations, and even if the employer was willing to allow the workers to pick and choose, there are a number of ways using your example that they could avoid having to have sex with a race they chose not to, which would not violate public accommodation laws. Admittedly, this one is new, as I thought of it later.

5) Based on all that and more, your slick question is a complete and total failure.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

No, it's not. It implies you have something to hide, your defenses are razor-thin, or both.
yes.. it is.



"Attack"? You think polemics are an attack? Wow, you just supported the point I made earlier. If we were to start rounding up Christians and throwing them to the lions, THAT would be an attack. (FWIW, I would fiercely oppose doing anything like that.) But their beliefs are fair game. If they don't like it, then too bad, conservative Christians, keep your views to yourself and out of our laws, out of our politics, and off our news programming. Your leader preached that you reap what you sow. To sow discord and to claim to be the victim when you're called on it is cowardice, pure and simple.

yes, polemics are an attack.. it's part of the defnition, in fact.
are you saying that attacks must be physical in nature to be considered an attack?.. .seriously?


if one was suggest you keep your views to yourself.. out of our laws, and out of our politics and off our news programming.. what would be your reaction?
would you simply so as ordered and remian utterly silent?... of would you also be a "coward" and fight back?
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I did answer the question, you just did not like the answer.

1) Prostitutes who work in Nevada brothels are required, by their employer, to take whichever customer asks for them

The question is whether or not the State should force her to do so or punish her for not doing so. Talking about brothel shop policy does not answer the question about whether or not the State should force her to do so or punish her for refusing.

2) Brothels are not public accommodations and therefore not subject to public accomodation laws.

3) Brothel workers are private contractors, which means they are not public accommodations.

:shrug: ditto most photographers.

4) Even if brothels where public accommodations, and even if the employer was willing to allow the workers to pick and choose, there are a number of ways using your example that they could avoid having to have sex with a race they chose not to, which would not violate public accommodation laws.

Such as? What about Gender?

And I still can't help but notice that you are avoiding the issue at question - are you willing to force someone to violate themselves in that way in the name of non-discrimination, or punish them for not doing so?

5) Based on all that and more, your slick question is a complete and total failure.

:shrug: not as near as I can see. :) we seem to have quite a few folks who (as predicted) are refusing to vote or answer.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I did answer the question, you just did not like the answer.

1) Prostitutes who work in Nevada brothels are required, by their employer, to take whichever customer asks for them

2) Brothels are not public accommodations and therefore not subject to public accomodation laws.

3) Brothel workers are private contractors, which means they are not public accommodations.

4) Even if brothels where public accommodations, and even if the employer was willing to allow the workers to pick and choose, there are a number of ways using your example that they could avoid having to have sex with a race they chose not to, which would not violate public accommodation laws. Admittedly, this one is new, as I thought of it later.

5) Based on all that and more, your slick question is a complete and total failure.

whay are brothels not considered public accomodations to you?

in Nevada, they are public busineses, licensed through a qualified municipality, offering entertainment services.... legally no different than a movie theater ( though obvisouly dramatically different in the type of entertainnment they offer:lol:)
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

yes.. it is.

yes, polemics are an attack.. it's part of the defnition, in fact.
are you saying that attacks must be physical in nature to be considered an attack?.. .seriously?

You are starting to show the exact defensiveness that I was talking about earlier. Y'all love, love, love to dish it out, but the minute we call you on it, however gently,..."Oh mah gawd! It's purse-cew'shun! They's comin' and attakin' us!" Seriously, if you think that polemics are an attack, then you have some very, very thin skin.

Another thing. Are you a Christian?

if one was suggest you keep your views to yourself.. out of our laws, and out of our politics and off our news programming.. what would be your reaction?
would you simply so as ordered and remian utterly silent?... of would you also be a "coward" and fight back?

Who is "you"? Myself? As an atheist, let me ask you: Out of all the atheists in the nation, how many of them have called for any government to force religious buildings closed on the grounds that they are religious? Or pushed for laws dictating what consenting adults may do in private? Or push for pseudoscience to be taught in science classes? Conservative Christians push for all of that and then some. But we are learning to stand y'all up, and well, if you don't like that, point your damn fingers at yourselves for a change.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

So there are exceptions to the rule that businesses have to accommodate their customers?? There are lines that can be established that can't be crossed?? This is the point of this whole thread. There are cases where a person's personal feelings are so strong that allowing the state to force them to do something that pushes them beyond those feelings is wrong. Selling a cake to someone who is in adultery may not cause the feelings as selling a cake to a homosexual. The state should never have the right to force someone into doing something that is that far outside of what they deem acceptable. Take the case of pacifists being drafted for military service. They were given a exclusion to that service. Would you feel that it's acceptable to force a pacifist to "kill or be killed"?

Boom. Someone gets it. :)
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I could be wrong, but I believe the state could only intercede if there was a complainant. It's unlikely, but possible, that a man frequenting a prostitute would publicly complain about being turned down by a prostitute on racial grounds, but if he did he may well have a case.

Likewise, if the prostitute refused to service a lesbian. If your business is providing sexual pleasure, surely you can't discriminate on sexual orientation grounds, can you?

:shrug: the reasoning would seem to suggest no. I suppose you could then force lesbian prostitutes to have sex with men, and so on.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

according to our anti-discrimination laws... she would be liable for damages if , indeed, a suit was brought against her.

Should she be?

realistically, a legal prostitute in Nevada who refuses to have sex with white men can only be described by 2 words.... dead broke.

That's a market solution, however.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

You are starting to show the exact defensiveness that I was talking about earlier. Y'all love, love, love to dish it out, but the minute we call you on it, however gently,..."Oh mah gawd! It's purse-cew'shun! They's comin' and attakin' us!" Seriously, if you think that polemics are an attack, then you have some very, very thin skin.
only one of us is getting all bent out of shape and it's not me...

"however gently" :lol:.. please dude, don't be dishonest... none of you anti-christian bigots are "gentle".

from time to time, everybody has thin skin.... and everybody always wishes thier "enemy" should just shut up or disappear
you're not special... you've got thin skin from time to time as well... and we certianly know you want Chrsitian to remove themselves from society... you've stated as much.



Another thing. Are you a Christian?
yes, I am...



Who is "you"? Myself? As an atheist, let me ask you: Out of all the atheists in the nation, how many of them have called for any government to force religious buildings closed on the grounds that they are religious? Or pushed for laws dictating what consenting adults may do in private? Or push for pseudoscience to be taught in science classes? Conservative Christians push for all of that and then some. But we are learning to stand y'all up, and well, if you don't like that, point your damn fingers at yourselves for a change.
you forgot to answer the question....
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

The fact that this thread exists scares me.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Boom. Someone gets it. :)

Some people refuse to see any lines and want to use the force of government to provide the service. I think a business that involves physical non-emergency contact should be allowed to refuse service.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

The fact that this thread exists scares me.
Why does that scare you? It's a legitimate question.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Why does that scare you? It's a legitimate question.

It's just ridiculous that these hypothetical examples are put forth, it's like this: Back in the days of the civil rights movement, a white prostitute worries that she will be forced to serve black customers, therefore, civil rights is invalid. Really rudimentary, but the point is there.
 
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