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Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?[W:118]

Should the State force Sally to be ****'d by white men?


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Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

You think that Jewish bakeries only sell unleavened bread during Passover week (the days of unleavened bread)?

I don't know, I'm not Jewish. I know unleavened bread has significance during Passover. It occurred to me that avoiding yeast had a religious connection that would be important during Passover.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Only the christian victimhood complex could come up with such insane hyperbole. Selling a cake to a homosexual is not the same thing as being forced to have sex with someone. I wish that you had at least an ounce of shame and you should be embarrassed for making such a comparison.



Such hate!

Notice ladies and gentlemen we cannot simply have "Christians" engaging in hyperbole, they have to be "the christian victimhood complex"...


Death threats, a call top arson, the forced closure of a family business.....nothing stops the Amerikan "liberal" from demeaning and degrading other Americans.

And while we're at it I need to add the topic is rather ridiculous, but no more so than 80% of the socialist hate that's being posted on this topic.

FFS, Germany, France, Canada, Britain, Australia and others have all settled this a long time ago without death threats. So much hate......
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I don't know, I'm not Jewish. I know unleavened bread has significance during Passover. It occurred to me that avoiding yeast had a religious connection that would be important during Passover.

I don't know either, but the thought of a bakery with no yeast in it is kinda comical. Leavening has to be not just left out of all recipes, it has to be removed from the premises, completely. Leavening is representative of sin.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Only the christian victimhood complex could come up with such insane hyperbole. Selling a cake to a homosexual is not the same thing as being forced to have sex with someone. I wish that you had at least an ounce of shame and you should be embarrassed for making such a comparison.

It's a business transaction either way... How about if we take a bit of the emotional context out of it and instead of a prostitute, make it a massage therapist??
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

It's a business transaction either way... How about if we take a bit of the emotional context out of it and instead of a prostitute, make it a massage therapist??

The physical contact of a massage, is not the same as that of intercourse. So it is emotional, it's also a hypothetical that likely never will be challenged.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I don't know either, but the thought of a bakery with no yeast in it is kinda comical. Leavening has to be not just left out of all recipes, it has to be removed from the premises, completely. Leavening is representative of sin.

Actually, that only applies to the person's home, not their place of business.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

An interesting question that got asked.


Sally decides to go to Nevada and become a prostitute. She wants to go to college later on, and needs the money.

Sally, however, is black, and has traumatic memories of being racially discriminated against / abused / what-have-you by white men. So Sally decides she's not willing to have sex with white men - it's too personal, too painful.


Should the state force Sally to have sex with white men, against her will? Should the state force her to be sexually penetrated by the men who will re-awaken her trauma, or punish her if she doesn't want to?




Other - selling your body and selling your cake are not the same
 
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Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Actually, that only applies to the person's home, not their place of business.

Not so. It was required to be removed from all of ones property.

"No leaven shall be seen of yours, and no leavening shall be seen of yours throughout all of your borders."

Even a stranger in your home or business is prohibited from consuming leavening, regardless of the fact that they didn't share the belief.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

The physical contact of a massage, is not the same as that of intercourse. So it is emotional, it's also a hypothetical that likely never will be challenged.

So there are exceptions to the rule that businesses have to accommodate their customers?? There are lines that can be established that can't be crossed?? This is the point of this whole thread. There are cases where a person's personal feelings are so strong that allowing the state to force them to do something that pushes them beyond those feelings is wrong. Selling a cake to someone who is in adultery may not cause the feelings as selling a cake to a homosexual. The state should never have the right to force someone into doing something that is that far outside of what they deem acceptable. Take the case of pacifists being drafted for military service. They were given a exclusion to that service. Would you feel that it's acceptable to force a pacifist to "kill or be killed"?
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Such hate!

Notice ladies and gentlemen we cannot simply have "Christians" engaging in hyperbole, they have to be "the christian victimhood complex"...
So much hate......

I'm a practicing Christian and I find some of the postings here on the forum, by Christians, pretty appalling and hate-filled. I'm not going to support them anymore than I would support hate or crime or anything else from anyone else. They make us all look bad and do more harm than good for Christianity.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Not so. It was required to be removed from all of ones property.

"No leaven shall be seen of yours, and no leavening shall be seen of yours throughout all of your borders."

Even a stranger in your home or business is prohibited from consuming leavening, regardless of the fact that they didn't share the belief.

You're quoting Deut. 16:4, I was thinking of Ex. 12:19.

The term used in Deut. has several meanings, including "quarters". The term used in Exodus is one clearly indicating one's home. While the application of the term used in Deut. is one that is rarely used, it is the one definition that reconciles with Exodus. Also, keep in mind that Exodus was a poetic book, while Duet. was a very literal one.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

So there are exceptions to the rule that businesses have to accommodate their customers?? There are lines that can be established that can't be crossed?? This is the point of this whole thread. There are cases where a person's personal feelings are so strong that allowing the state to force them to do something that pushes them beyond those feelings is wrong. Selling a cake to someone who is in adultery may not cause the feelings as selling a cake to a homosexual. The state should never have the right to force someone into doing something that is that far outside of what they deem acceptable. Take the case of pacifists being drafted for military service. They were given a exclusion to that service. Would you feel that it's acceptable to force a pacifist to "kill or be killed"?

Nobody should be forced to kill anybody. That you would compare baking and serving up a cake with killing people is funny. Also, US laws should not take into consideration the feelings of a religious group. You simply should not be permitted to freely discriminate against a person because of their gender, their race, or their sexual orientation, all three of which they are born into, and as such haven't a bit of control over. Whereas about everything else, including religion is a choice.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

You're quoting Deut. 16:4, I was thinking of Ex. 12:19.

The term used in Deut. has several meanings, including "quarters". The term used in Exodus is one clearly indicating one's home. While the application of the term used in Deut. is one that is rarely used, it is the one definition that reconciles with Exodus. Also, keep in mind that Exodus was a poetic book, while Duet. was a very literal one.

Lol. The whole bible is comical to me, I put no stock in it. But I'll tell you what. Judaism is no different than Christianity when it comes to interpretation. Ask an orthodox Jew if he can sell leavened products from his business during the Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Nobody should be forced to kill anybody. That you would compare baking and serving up a cake with killing people is funny. Also, US laws should not take into consideration the feelings of a religious group. You simply should not be permitted to freely discriminate against a person because of their gender, their race, or their sexual orientation, all three of which they are born into, and as such haven't a bit of control over. Whereas about everything else, including religion is a choice.

It's not about the actions of the individual, but the actions of the State. For some people, the act of supporting a homosexual marriage may actually be more stressful than killing someone. Should the State have the right to force someone into doing something that violates their core beliefs?? Based on what this nations has done in the past, that answer is a resounding "NO!!". This is something that the left once fought for and now fights against (and that the right has embarrassingly dodged for far too long). Either that State has the right to force you violate your core beliefs or it doesn't. The scope of that belief is NOT up to you or me to decide, since it is ENTIRELY subjective.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

This is not a question about Sally, but about the State. Sally has been a prostitute for some time now, and discriminating all that time - should the state punish her for her discrimination or force her to have sex with white men?

I could be wrong, but I believe the state could only intercede if there was a complainant. It's unlikely, but possible, that a man frequenting a prostitute would publicly complain about being turned down by a prostitute on racial grounds, but if he did he may well have a case.

Likewise, if the prostitute refused to service a lesbian. If your business is providing sexual pleasure, surely you can't discriminate on sexual orientation grounds, can you?
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

It's not about the actions of the individual, but the actions of the State. For some people, the act of supporting a homosexual marriage may actually be more stressful than killing someone. Should the State have the right to force someone into doing something that violates their core beliefs?? Based on what this nations has done in the past, that answer is a resounding "NO!!". This is something that the left once fought for and now fights against (and that the right has embarrassingly dodged for far too long). Either that State has the right to force you violate your core beliefs or it doesn't. The scope of that belief is NOT up to you or me to decide, since it is ENTIRELY subjective.

JFC, do you ever demonstrate the point that fundies are freaks. If handing out a slice of cake to a gay person stresses you on the same level or worse then killing somebody, you have very deep issues. And this is where reasonable and rational people need to intervene and call bull****.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Lol. The whole bible is comical to me, I put no stock in it. But I'll tell you what. Judaism is no different than Christianity when it comes to interpretation. Ask an orthodox Jew if he can sell leavened products from his business during the Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover.

In general, Jews tend to be MUCH better at explaining controversial statements in their holy text than conservative Christians do. Seriously, you can't say ANYTHING polemic to a conservative Christian without their persecution complex kicking in. And before the CC's prove my point by accusing me of generalizing them, then fine, that only applies to 99.999% of them.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

It's not about the actions of the individual, but the actions of the State. For some people, the act of supporting a homosexual marriage may actually be more stressful than killing someone.

Then they should not open a business where they might have to do that. Just like the prostitute in the OP.

They are not entitled to open a business in a state. The state sets the stipulations, laws, and guidelines for businesses in that state. If you cannot abide by that contract, then you can choose another line of work or open a business that does not require that you come in contact with those you would discriminate against.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Likewise, if the prostitute refused to service a lesbian. If your business is providing sexual pleasure, surely you can't discriminate on sexual orientation grounds, can you?

Oooo! This is good! That is very interesting. Esp. since I believe that prostitution should be legal and regulated.

Personally, I would find sex with strangers disgusting in general so I dont think the gender would matter. But it's sure an interesting case to explore. Esp. for male prostitutes.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

An interesting question that got asked.


Sally decides to go to Nevada and become a prostitute. She wants to go to college later on, and needs the money.

Sally, however, is black, and has traumatic memories of being racially discriminated against / abused / what-have-you by white men. So Sally decides she's not willing to have sex with white men - it's too personal, too painful.


Should the state force Sally to have sex with white men, against her will? Should the state force her to be sexually penetrated by the men who will re-awaken her trauma, or punish her if she doesn't want to?

according to our anti-discrimination laws... she would be liable for damages if , indeed, a suit was brought against her.

realistically, a legal prostitute in Nevada who refuses to have sex with white men can only be described by 2 words.... dead broke.
were she to make her discriminatory practices known to the house, the house wouldn't allow her to contract her services through them... if she hid those discriminatory practices, the house could possibly file suit against her , in addition to the customer filing suit.

in any event, we're talking about legal prostitutes in Nevada... arguably the least judgmental and least discriminatory people on the planet.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

In general, Jews tend to be MUCH better at explaining controversial statements in their holy text than conservative Christians do. Seriously, you can't say ANYTHING polemic to a conservative Christian without their persecution complex kicking in. And before the CC's prove my point by accusing me of generalizing them, then fine, that only applies to 99.999% of them.

Exactly. Ask a reformed or liberal Jew the same question I asked of the orthodox (better yet, I think they have an ultra Orthodox Jew now) Jew and you'll get different answers. Or even better yet, ask a messianic Jew if he even has to refrain from consuming leavening during Passover.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

The OP in this thread is about as close as I get to a roller coaster these days. I want to know how this black prostitute plans to legally practice prostitution in a state where 70% of the population is white. Also, doesn't Nevada prostitution work with brothels? Wouldn't she contractually agree to work under the state laws on the matter? Laws which take into consideration non-discrimination measures? **** Sally. Get your **** together, girl.
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

In general, Jews tend to be MUCH better at explaining controversial statements in their holy text than conservative Christians do. Seriously, you can't say ANYTHING polemic to a conservative Christian without their persecution complex kicking in. And before the CC's prove my point by accusing me of generalizing them, then fine, that only applies to 99.999% of them.

it is quite natural and reasonable to be defensive when polemics are employed..... that you would see their defensiveness as anything other than natural is extraordinary odd.

employ polemics against anyone, on any basis, and you'll see similar results.... add in issues of a deeply personal nature ( such as faith), and the level of defensiveness is assured to increase.

you're basically saying " It's stupid that Christians get butt hurt when I attack them"...
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

I forgot, you aren't ever serious. My apologies.

Wait...you were being serious???
 
Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

Prostitution shouldn't be legal in the first place.
 
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