"Many" is an interesting word. It can be used to subtly indicate "large percentages of" or "majorities", without actually putting one on the hook for defending such a claim. Do you have any polling data on that question?Originally Posted by Lursa
I think Christians should be allowed to opt out of gay weddings - No
I think Christians should be allowed to opt out of gay weddings - Yes
I think Christians should be made to sell to gay weddings - No
I think Christians should be made to sell to gay weddings - Yes
"Many" is an interesting word. It can be used to subtly indicate "large percentages of" or "majorities", without actually putting one on the hook for defending such a claim. Do you have any polling data on that question?
SHe's not committing a crime. So the revocation of her ability to participate in that business is appropriate punitive action. Seems like that's what they'd do in most other businesses.The part that was not clear was..... the part where I missed that.Mea Culpa. Do you think the state should seek punitive action?
the bakery in Colorado, for example, is facing a fine of $50,000 per person.
No, just a sampling of the many pro-life posters here on the forum (altho such data may exist, I've just never looked for it).
I can write you a list of those that have but it would be against forum policy. Would you like it pm'd?(some are supposedly 'good Christians' too)
And you didnt answer the question: what is the point of legal restrictions on abortion if there is no legal consequence?
Nah. I can see the argument for it, legally, in that scenario, it should be treated like any other infanticide.
I agree there should be some - Sorry, I thought the question was rhetorical.And you didnt answer the question: what is the point of legal restrictions on abortion if there is no legal consequence?
Come on. At any other time it's on the shelf. How about the Muslim comes in two weeks earlier and wants the bakery to cater their Muslim wedding during Passover?
I think you get the point.
I guess they could do that too. Doesnt change the substance of my response. It is punitive. And drastically (I imagine) affects their ability to do business. How many fines before the state does revoke that bakery's business license or they go out of business? It's just a matter of degree.
No! I don't get the point, because, not only wouldn't they cater during Passover to the Muslim, they wouldn't do it for the gay guy, the straight guy, the Christian, the Hindu, the Jew or the atheist. You'll need to dream up another gotcha hypothetical to distract from the real time discrimination that Christians are projecting on the LGBT community.
Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
I'm not a conservative christian... but let's see where your steortyping goes from here.
wow, that was a fine performance... exactly none of it makes one damned bit of sense, but you delivered your idiocy flawlessly.You know why you (plural) are so defensive? Because you. Have. No. Faith. You may have belief, but you do not have faith. If you had faith in God as described by the Bible and interpreted by most Christian denominations, if you had faith in whom you profess to be Lord of the Universe, who could instantly knock the planet Earth halfway across the galaxy in a blink of an eye, you would be able to do what Jesus did and shrug everything off your shoulders, because God would take care of us in the end. But you rely on your own powers, not God's powers, to boost yourselves up. You have no faith.
not sure what you are talking about.... but I will say that i would no more want christian fundamentalists running this country than loudmouth liberal bigots... though I won't deny either a seat at the tableOh, and another thing. You just gave false testimony against your neighbor. You just broke the Ninth Commandment. Now why the hell should we listen to someone who can't even follow his own rules, let alone try to make laws and statutes out of those rules?
if you had read the bible, you would understand that such judgements won't come from you or any other human... you have no standing to judge the faith of anyone else... you have the arrogance and the ignorance, but no standing.No faith, and full of lies. The Bible is very clear as to what happens to people with those attributes.
... and you have still failed to answer the question....it's very telling for you to outright refuse to do so.Your question was either a meaningless hypothetical or a strawman. I answered them already with questions of my own; anyone whose mind is open would have instantly recognized that my questions were rhetorical. Geez you conservative Christians are defensive..
and again, I'm not a conservative christian.
Conservative Christian, Evangelical Christian, Whatever Christian. You are being spectacularly defensive, something that conservative Christians are well-known for. So whatever expedient title of the type of Christian you wish to claim to be cannot cover up your defensiveness. And you know what? Of all the religions whose followers I have engaged in debate--which, specifically, are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam--Christians are by far the most defensive of these three. It's not even close. Jews and Muslims are SOOOO much better than you guys in this regard. I wonder why that is, Thrilla?
Go back and reread my accusation of your lack of faith. I stand by what I said and refuse to apologize for it. It needs no clarification. You just didn't like it because it is true and because you are defensive.
By the way. How do you feel about the steady decline in church membership in America over the last few decades?
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