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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    How is that necessarily different from any other enforcement of discrimination law, in which you both physicaly coerce the actions of the individual and are willing to override potential mental anguish when doing so?



    I think that's the nugget, and I think it's what is informing most of this debate. People are reacting to what they find unacceptable, rather than seeking to formulate and follow consistent rules that would apply to all scenarios.
    There's usually exceptions to every rule. Dreaming up hypothetical gotcha scenarios to distract from real time discrimination is just that.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I guess that would have to be right. I think you can see the analogy I was trying to make. Should a Muslim demand a Jewish Baker sell them certain goods that may be against their religious beliefs?
    It's not even possible if the Jewish baker doesn't stock the item that the Muslim is seeking. Leavening being off his premises during Passover week. He'll need to buy flat bread, Matzo! The Jewish baker wouldn't be selling leavened products to another Jew or Christian or atheist during that week either. So your scenario has no discriminating aspect to it.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Such anger in so called liberals...

    protip.....strawman is the weakest argument.

    Please read a business license and don't get back to me.
    Wow. If that was your best comeback, then it was an incredibly weak one.

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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And how is this substantially different? It was posted early in the thread.



    So early that it might have reduced the opportunities to "discuss" your point of view with dissenters?
    I'm not sure what you're getting at here or why you quoted me. My response, to the author of the OP, was in connection to a comment he posted prior to your first post in the thread. My involvement in the thread after that initial comment was only to respond again to a comment the author of the OP addressed my way. I don't believe I engage in a discussion with any other poster in the thread.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    The thread title and OP has absolutely NOTHING to do with poll.

    However, an accurate poll question could be would anti-gender discrimination laws require a professional prostitute to have sex contrary to her/his sexual sex orientation/preference?

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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I understand that people need protection from certain things, but it's a matter of where we draw the line. What happens in our society is that the "protected group of the moment" gets all the attention, yet the basic issue of where the line gets drawn never gets addressed. In the case of the OP, you would draw the line at a completely different point than in the case of the bakery. I understand that there needs to be some measure of latitude in how the law is applied, but even that should be defined so that the law gets applied equitably to all. So let's work towards a solution that both protects people and treats them consistently and equitably instead of basing the application of the law on how we feel about the person it it being applied to.
    I have no argument with that. But I can tell you that if someone holds as a basic matter of faith, that natural born gay people living according to their born sexual orientation, are living in sin, and as such they are precluded from serving them, somebodies always going to be offended, and this will go back and forth as one group gaines recognition over the other, perpetually.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not sure what you're getting at here or why you quoted me. My response, to the author of the OP, was in connection to a comment he posted prior to your first post in the thread. My involvement in the thread after that initial comment was only to respond again to a comment the author of the OP addressed my way. I don't believe I engage in a discussion with any other poster in the thread.
    I quoted you because he was commenting on your post and I had posted a very similar thing early in the thread. It was directed to the OP, not you. Sorry if that wasnt clear.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have no argument with that. But I can tell you that if someone holds as a basic matter of faith, that natural born gay people living according to their born sexual orientation, are living in sin, and as such they are precluded from serving them, somebodies always going to be offended, and this will go back and forth as one group gaines recognition over the other, perpetually.
    That's why the law needs to be fixed, not tossed or allowed to continue as a gray area. But no one wants to do push for that, they just want things to go the way that supports their ideology. Tiem to throw out the ideology and start getting back to being a nation of laws and not vague regulations that can be interpreted however people want them to be.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not even possible if the Jewish baker doesn't stock the item that the Muslim is seeking. Leavening being off his premises during Passover week. He'll need to buy flat bread, Matzo! The Jewish baker wouldn't be selling leavened products to another Jew or Christian or atheist during that week either. So your scenario has no discriminating aspect to it.
    It would if the Muslim declared he was refused service based on the bakery owners religious views.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's why the law needs to be fixed, not tossed or allowed to continue as a gray area. But no one wants to do push for that, they just want things to go the way that supports their ideology. Tiem to throw out the ideology and start getting back to being a nation of laws and not vague regulations that can be interpreted however people want them to be.
    No, it's discriminating ideology that needs to be fixed. Gay people have been around far longer than Christians, religions come and go. Unless there are laws against discrimination, it won't go away. If we want to allow Christians to discriminate against the LGBT, then we aren't making progress.
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