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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because it would require physical coercion of a person. And mental coercion for that matter.
    How is that necessarily different from any other enforcement of discrimination law, in which you both physicaly coerce the actions of the individual and are willing to override potential mental anguish when doing so?

    In my mind, sex without consent is unacceptable.
    I think that's the nugget, and I think it's what is informing most of this debate. People are reacting to what they find unacceptable, rather than seeking to formulate and follow consistent rules that would apply to all scenarios.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    It almost makes me wish that the OP was forced to sell the cake and then forced to have sex with a disease ridden prostitute and then reconsider
    Always good when people show their hand.

    But I wonder what you would think would occur during that reconsideration. If I were to respond to your homosexuality by forcing you to attend anti-SSM rallies and have sex with women, do you think that would A) gosh, make you reconsider your position or B) make you incredibly angry against my coercion of your most personal areas?
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-08-15 at 07:05 AM.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is true. When the state licenses a business enterprise, such as prostitution in Nevada, that business enterprise must be governed by all the public accommodation laws in place.
    Well it seems we have an honest man.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If you are going to allow discrimination against religion you might as well allow racism. Power to the people! Huh?
    that would be my preferred solution.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why do you keep saying I have not answered the question, when I very clearly have?
    Because you have not. You have attempted to avoid the issue at question by bringing up and answering other questions instead. Should the State have the right to force women to have sex with men (or women) they do not want to against their will, if doing so is what is necessary to enforce anti-discrimination law. You are attempting to shift to "well it may be a private club" or "well, maybe the prostitute is a private contractor" etc. in order to try to avoid answering that question.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    where the **** was he making death threats?

    oh yes i'm responsible for every moron's probably joking tweets about burning down a craphole pizza place in middle of nowhere and that *definitely* applies to everyone who opposes "RFRA"


    Duh..

    Please pay attention....

    There was this little pizzeria that had to close...
    Proud of yourselves over that eh?
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I don't care what someone feels. I care about equal rights. Which, because men aren't angels, need to be protected by legislation.
    I understand that people need protection from certain things, but it's a matter of where we draw the line. What happens in our society is that the "protected group of the moment" gets all the attention, yet the basic issue of where the line gets drawn never gets addressed. In the case of the OP, you would draw the line at a completely different point than in the case of the bakery. I understand that there needs to be some measure of latitude in how the law is applied, but even that should be defined so that the law gets applied equitably to all. So let's work towards a solution that both protects people and treats them consistently and equitably instead of basing the application of the law on how we feel about the person it it being applied to.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Only the christian victimhood complex could come up with such insane hyperbole. Selling a cake to a homosexual is not the same thing as being forced to have sex with someone. I wish that you had at least an ounce of shame and you should be embarrassed for making such a comparison.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've also been asked if I should have to do business with a pedophile, a Nazi, a puppy beater, someone in the act of committing bestiality, etc. If these threads go on for much longer someone will demand to know whether a deli should be forced to make a sandwich for a time-traveling, cyborg Nazi alien.
    These questions are not as ridiculous as you seem to think they are. They are legitimately asking where the line is. Of course the examples are extreme, but the premise is valid.

    I'll rephrase the OP's question in simpler and less absurd terms: Where is the line?

    Please, be specific and/or give examples.
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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I mentioned this in my first post that I was not 100 % sure, but that I saw reference(I forget where now) to them being considered private clubs. Still a business, still licensed, but not a public accommodation. I did make it a point to also answer with the assumption that it was a public accommodation, so I answered both ways essentially.
    Here's something I just found. 1972: Black man was refused service at Nevada's Cottontail Ranch. He filed a complaint with the Nevada Equal Rights Commission. Man from the Nevada ERC went to ranch to investigate. He was also black. That man was turned down.

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2587959&hl=en

    I've looked and looked, and can't seem to find how it was adjudicated/

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    Re: Addendum to RFRA - should a prostitute be forced to have sex with whites?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    These questions are not as ridiculous as you seem to think they are. They are legitimately asking where the line is. Of course the examples are extreme, but the premise is valid.

    I'll rephrase the OP's question in simpler and less absurd terms: Where is the line?

    Please, be specific and/or give examples.
    The line is the topic at hand. Social, religious conservatives are simply expanding the radius of the discussion so it bogs it down into the ridiculous, just as they're expanding the definitions of discrimination and hypocrisy until they no longer have any meaning. It's reductio ad absurdum at its finest, no different than how every gay marriage thread eventually devolves into bestiality and pedophilia.*

    Should a gay Nazi have to sell a cake covered in Christian Stars of David to a Jewish ghost? Well, Radcen...should he?



    *The discussion starts bringing up the issues of bestiality and pedophilia. People in the thread do not suddenly start practicing bestiality and pedophilia midway through the topic, although I think we could all agree that would make debates around here a lot more interesting.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 04-08-15 at 11:33 AM.

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