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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately, impairment isn't always readily discernible. And some employees go out to the driveway, get into a company vehicle, and head to the job, and in some cases, they are the only one to show up to that particular job. And a host of other examples could be offered. On the other side, some recreational drugs, that could be used on a persons own time and place, linger in the body too long.
    And unless your performance is actually affected, then it is none of your employer's business.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And unless your performance is actually affected, then it is none of your employer's business.
    I tend to agree with you on most issues. But we've got some space between us on this one. Perhaps you've never used drugs or alcohol, but the very purpose of their use is that they have an altering effect that increases according to amount of use. And an employer does have a right to ask that people use none, on the job. As I pointed out earlier, that poses a problem for marijuana use.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I tend to agree with you on most issues. But we've got some space between us on this one. Perhaps you've never used drugs or alcohol, but the very purpose of their use is that they have an altering effect that increases according to amount of use. And an employer does have a right to ask that people use none, on the job. As I pointed out earlier, that poses a problem for marijuana use.
    Yes, they can ask you not to smoke on the job or come into work inebriated. And that is all they can ask. Anything you do on your own time that doesn't affect your performance is none of their business. Ergo, no drug testing, because the test has no way to determine the difference between using on a Tuesday afternoon or the previous Saturday night. So it doesn't help determine someone's capacity while on the job at all.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes, they can ask you not to smoke on the job or come into work inebriated. And that is all they can ask. Anything you do on your own time that doesn't affect your performance is none of their business. Ergo, no drug testing, because the test has no way to determine the difference between using on a Tuesday afternoon or the previous Saturday night. So it doesn't help determine someone's capacity while on the job at all.
    We'll sure I pointed that out. But when testing can determine timeline accurately, it will be effective. And as an employer, I don't want somebody that uses heroin for example, even if its on their own time, if I know, they're not working for me. That said, I've heard of poppy seed buns giving a positive test, lol.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We'll sure I pointed that out. But when testing can determine timeline accurately, it will be effective. And as an employer, I don't want somebody that uses heroin for example, even if its on their own time, if I know, they're not working for me. That said, I've heard of poppy seed buns giving a positive test, lol.
    Well it turns out that it's none of your damn business what people do on their own time. No more than is it our business what you do in yours.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well it turns out that it's none of your damn business what people do on their own time. No more than is it our business what you do in yours.
    Lol. It turns out that I'm the one that decides who will be hired, and fired in the business that I do own.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. It turns out that I'm the one that decides who will be hired, and fired in the business that I do own.
    And yet there are still many laws that will punish you if you do so for malicious reasons. What a person does on their own time ought to be one of those reasons that you are not allowed to use. That kind of control of other people is something you do not deserve, especially not merely because you own something. Owning something doesn't make you deserve anything. It's just your name on a piece of paper and a government saying that it will enforce your claim.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And yet there are still many laws that will punish you if you do so for malicious reasons. What a person does on their own time ought to be one of those reasons that you are not allowed to use. That kind of control of other people is something you do not deserve, especially not merely because you own something. Owning something doesn't make you deserve anything. It's just your name on a piece of paper and a government saying that it will enforce your claim.
    But I don't wish to control anybody. I'm at least as big of a fan of civil liberties that you are. Yes, there are malicious reasons that people have fired employees for, and its good that we have laws addressing that. But firing somebody for using illegal drugs isn't one of them. An employee is free to find employment elsewhere, and as such not under my "control". But our society recognises various forms of discrimination that it has legislated against, and firing drug users isn't one of them.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I'd say no - it sounds punitive and vindictive, as laid out in the argument and provides no rationale or historical reference for the need to drug test all politicians. Clearly, there is historical reference and rationale for bus/subway drivers, truck drivers, pilots, etc. who have been caught under the influence while operating dangerous equipment/vehicles that can put the general public in peril. I'd like to see some examples of politicians who have been caught in similar circumstances to justify this move.

    I would agree, however, with a law that indicated that if a person holding an elected office, whatever the position, was found guilty of being under the influence while performing their duties they would automatically vacate their seat/position. This is similar to laws where a politician convicted of a felony loses their position and a civil servant found guilty loses their job.
    The laws and policies a politician make can effect and put way more people in peril than any bus/subway drivers, truck drivers, pilots,and etc.
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    Re: Should politcians be legally required to take drug tests?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, no one should be drug tested without a warrant or court order. Private companies shouldn't be able to require it of employees. It's none of their business unless the employee shows up drunk or high to work, and then you can fire them for the behavior, not the result of a test.
    I agree with that and that is how it should be.However until that becomes law (technically it is already law for government workers since the Constitution only applies to what the government may or may not do)these elected officials should be held to the same standard they impose on everyone else.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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