View Poll Results: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious belief?

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  • The Jewish owned bakery can refuse to make a Adolph Hitler birthday cakes.

    16 84.21%
  • The Jewish owned bakery has to make Adolph Hitler birthday cakes.

    2 10.53%
  • The black hardware store owner can refuse to sell 4x4 lumber and gas cans to the KKK

    11 57.89%
  • The black hardware store owner has to sell 4x4 lumber and gas cans to the KKK

    5 26.32%
  • The pro-choice owned print shop can refuse to make pro-life pamphlets

    11 57.89%
  • The pro-choice owned print shop has to make pro-life pamphlets

    3 15.79%
  • The anti-2nd amendment owned convention center can refuse to rent space to the NRA

    11 57.89%
  • The anti-2nd amendment owned convention center has to rent space to the NRA.

    4 21.05%
  • A christian,Jewsih or Muslim owned restaurant can refuse to cater a gay wedding

    12 63.16%
  • A Christian,Jewish or Muslim owned restaurant has to cater a gay wedding.

    5 26.32%
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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Hitler is dead? No way! :Kappa:
    Thanks, Obama!
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So if you refused to serve a Nazi a Happy Birthday Hitler cake, that would make you a bigot???
    Everyone knows Nazis hate birthday cake, so your question is invalid.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Thanks, Obama!
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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I lol'd
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    First of all, it might be interesting to note that companies do not have a conscience. The owner and the people working there do. So the question should rightly be, whether a citizen may be forced to act against her conscience.
    The company is property of the person who owns it. I could have asked "Should a person be forced to sell or rent his property and or services to groups or individuals or groups whose views go against their religious values or conscience. "But I would not have been able to squeeze all that in poll options.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The only one where I did not vote was the black hardware store owner selling lumber and gas cans to the KKK. This is different from all the other situations, inasmuch as it simply presumes someone walking in off the street into a store, and buying generic merchandise that the store has in stock for sale. The store owner wouldn't even have reason to know or care what the affiliation is of the customer, nor what he intended to do with the items he was purchasing. Barring any clear evidence to the contrary, the store owner should just presume that the customer wants to build something with that lumber, and the gas cans to carry gasoline to be used as fuel for vehicles or equipment.

    In every other case, we are talking about a merchant being asked to provide goods or services that are specifically in support of something that that merchant opposes. I do not believe it is ever justifiable to use the force of law to compel this of anyone.

    The poll option assumes that the black hardware store owner does know that the person walking in his store is a KKK member. Maybe the guy walked into the store wearing sheets and a hood, maybe he asked the hardware store owner what type of lumber would be ideal for making a cross that will be later lit on fire at a klan rally or some other thing to indicate that he is a member of the KKK.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Everyone knows Nazis hate birthday cake, so your question is invalid.
    They like cake, as long as it's white cake...
    Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious belief? Or should they be forced to violate their conscience or religious beliefs as a the price of doing business?

    The Jewish owned bakery can refuse to make a Adolph Hitler birthday cakes.
    The Jewish owned bakery has to make Adolph Hitler birthday cakes.
    The black hardware store owner can refuse to sell 4x4 lumber and gas cans to the KKK
    The black hardware store owner has to sell 4x4 lumber and gas cans to the KKK
    The pro-choice owned print shop can refuse to make pro-life pamphlets
    The pro-choice owned print shop has to make pro-life pamphlets
    The anti-2nd amendment owned convention center can refuse to rent space to the NRA
    The anti-2nd amendment owned convention center has to rent space to the NRA.
    A christian,Jewsih or Muslim owned restaurant can refuse to cater a gay wedding
    A Christian,Jewish or Muslim owned restaurant has to cater a gay wedding.

    Many people seem to be under the impression that any and all forms of discrimination are a bad thing.I do not think a gay or veteran owned print shop should be forced to make "God Hates Fags" signs for the infamous Westboro gang who runs a provoke and sue scam at the funerals of solders and other people. Nor do I think a gun store owner should be forced to sell guns to someone who gives him the creeps.I do not want to be served by a male waiter at a Hooters restaurant. I am sure women who go to Chip and Dales strip clubs do not want to see a female stripper dole dancing or a fat slob shaking his junk that he can't see anymore.
    The problem with your poll is that you're comparing apples and oranges. Membership in Nazi/KKK/NRA/whatever groups is a CHOICE. Being gay is not a choice - it's a BIOLOGICAL trait, something you're born with.
    To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what hes doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    They like cake, as long as it's white cake...
    They won't even eat chocolate frosting.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should businesses be allowed to not violate their their conscience/religious beli

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    In all your examples but the last, the answer is that the business can refuse. In all those cases, the business is refusing to promulgate an idea.
    Gay marriage is in idea that many people do not wish to promulgate.
    The baker won't make a Hitler cake for anyone.
    The print shop won't make anti-abortion pamphlets for anyone.
    The christian,Jewsih or Muslim owned restaurant won't cater a gay wedding for anyone.

    The NRA and the KKK aren't people, they're organizations.
    Organizations are made up of people. A wedding is an organization of people. So discriminating against a group of people because you do not like their pro-life or pro-2nd amendment views is no different than discriminating against group of people because you do not like their views on marriage.

    As above, discriminate against ideas, just not against kinds of people.
    Gay marriage is an idea not a person.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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