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  • Abortion

    18 33.33%
  • Gay marriage

    3 5.56%
  • Gun control

    2 3.70%
  • Budget/spending

    9 16.67%
  • Immigration

    5 9.26%
  • Separation of church and state

    5 9.26%
  • Taxation

    2 3.70%
  • War on drugs

    0 0%
  • Death penalty

    0 0%
  • Other

    10 18.52%
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Thread: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm curious what people think about this. What issue do you believe is the most contentious or divisive, one that the two sides are least likely to come to any sort of agreement or compromise about.
    I had to select "other" because all those issues derive from the one main issue: Whether the government should be big and in control or not.
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    SSM hasn't been around for decades as Abortion is. Most of us on the pro-life side (no idea about the pro-choice side) would happily trade a full loss in the fights around SSM to win the abortion fight.
    I could see that since SSM isn't necessarily killing anyone.
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...... I mean, sort of? You win a battle, if the child was in danger, certainly. But we're in the middle of a machinery of mass murder and while saving each individual life is important, I wouldn't call it "winning the fight" while the machine churns on.
    So the point is that like all the other things that Christians like to cling to, but aren't satisfied with practicing themselves, but wish to impose on others also, it still amazes me that killing people in war, including the "collateral damage" of innocent civilians is readily excused or justified, and yet abortion, which most certainly is not universally recognised as murder becomes the wedge issue, and a GOP candidate litmus test, despite the fact that no president can do anything about it. As with all other principles Christians hold dear, they ought to practice them themselves in good faith. In one of the states that I live in, you cannot buy alcohol on SUNDAY because the Christians vote in sufficient numbers as to impose their "values" upon me. And btw, I do realise that it's not just Christians that oppose abortion. If you don't condone abortion, don't have one.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think at the end of the day, it comes down to religion. The left are anti-Christian, and they are picking away at traditional Christianity one issue at a time: gay marriage, abortion, drug laws, government paid contraception, etc......
    Grimm's post is the other side's way of saying what I said: Most issues boil down to whether government and legislation should enforce morals and customs that derive from religion/tradition in addition to those morals/ethics that are intended to prevent harm and are more accepted universally. That is the underlying issue behind abortion, gay rights, many education issues, sex education, drug laws and many more.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So the point is that like all the other things that Christians like to cling to, but aren't satisfied with practicing themselves, but wish to impose on others also, it still amazes me that killing people in war, including the "collateral damage" of innocent civilians is readily excused or justified, and yet abortion, which most certainly is not universally recognised as murder becomes the wedge issue, and a GOP candidate litmus test, despite the fact that no president can do anything about it.
    others not recognizing some people as human deserving of certain protections and possessing inherent dignity and inalienable rights shouldn't stop Christians from recognizing them. Historically, we have generally been glad that they have not. Do you modify your core beliefs if they are not widely shared?

    As with all other principles Christians hold dear, they ought to practice them themselves in good faith. In one of the states that I live in, you cannot buy alcohol on SUNDAY because the Christians vote in sufficient numbers as to impose their "values" upon me. And btw, I do realise that it's not just Christians that oppose abortion. If you don't condone abortion, don't have one.
    That is an argument with an assumption that presupposes it's conclusion. For someone who recognizes that the unborn child is a human being, the logic is the same as the argument "If you don't like slavery, don't own any" or "If you don't condone rape, then don't rape anybody".
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm curious what people think about this. What issue do you believe is the most contentious or divisive, one that the two sides are least likely to come to any sort of agreement or compromise about.
    Depends upon day and location. In some places right now it's homosexual marriage. In others, it's illegal immigration.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    others not recognizing some people as human deserving of certain protections and possessing inherent dignity and inalienable rights shouldn't stop Christians from recognizing them. Historically, we have generally been glad that they have not. Do you modify your core beliefs if they are not widely shared?



    That is an argument with an assumption that presupposes it's conclusion. For someone who recognizes that the unborn child is a human being, the logic is the same as the argument "If you don't like slavery, don't own any" or "If you don't condone rape, then don't rape anybody".
    Rape and slavery is illegal.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Rape and slavery is illegal.
    currently.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    currently.
    True enough, but do you expect that to change?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough, but do you expect that to change?
    I was speaking to the past. Slavery was no more "right" when it was legal.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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