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  • Abortion

    18 33.33%
  • Gay marriage

    3 5.56%
  • Gun control

    2 3.70%
  • Budget/spending

    9 16.67%
  • Immigration

    5 9.26%
  • Separation of church and state

    5 9.26%
  • Taxation

    2 3.70%
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Thread: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    It's not exactly budget/spending, but it's part of that. The single biggest issue, that radiates into most other issues, is over class. The misconceptions that the middle and upper classes have about the poor, and the resulting anger, are the single most divisive thing in this country. Nearly every other issue is affected. Abortion is framed in terms of poor women who have too many children, as if it was intentional. Immigration is about keeping poor people out of the country. The war on drugs is defined by how it disproportionately affects the poor, especially black and Latino poor. Social class is a big element of racism, even.

    When America learns to stop hating its poor, the divisiveness of our politics will change dramatically.
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Amerika is so far gone that there is no saving the nation we once knew from our founding. So what's the point of squabbling over minutia when the ship is foundered to the point that it can't be saved??

    With no rule of law to constrain the government - how can liberty survive?? The answer is, of course it can't survive - yet, no one wants to talk about it... it's more titillating to get all worked up over abortion and gay marriage.

    Amerika abandoned the rule of law decades ago, and with it abandoned republican government in favor of "democracy"... we are now dying the death that every democracy in history has died. As James Madison observed, there has never been a democracy in history that did not commit suicide - violent in their deaths.

    Amerikans have been made completely ignorant of history, the principles of freedom, and the ability to rationally sift their way thru the chaff of misinformation that they are daily bombarded with. We are in debt to the tune of over 100% of GDP, we are engaged in perpetual war, our government brazenly operates outside the bounds of the Constitution - and the masses cheer them on, many states and municipalities are on the road to bankruptcy, our currency is being devalued by the second, on and on...

    It's a sinking ship - a fast sinking ship, and there's no saving her. The Establishment manuevered us into this straight jacket for very logical reasons, and when they eventually pull the plug on the economy, and on the dollar, the jig will be up. Then of course, those who created the problems to begin with, will be Johnny on the spot with their "solutions".

    Of course those solutions will be tainted in such a way as to afford the Establishment complete control of the government, and the government complete control of the people.

    It's the same old story throughout history - over and over again, going back millenia. Too bad Amerikans weren't exposed to these history lessons in the government schools they attended
    Your deliberate misspelling of "America" is irritating, undoubtedly also deliberately so. It inspired me to scroll through and to say: tl;dr.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Your deliberate misspelling of "America" is irritating, undoubtedly also deliberately so. It inspired me to scroll through and to say: tl;dr.
    Spelling America with a 'k' denotes a post-constitutional Amerika.

    When I was young and naive I loved my country, and believed we were the bulwark against "the evil empire", but decades of reading and observing have opened my eyes to what a lie that is.

    Amerika is the most imperialistic, terroristic, duplicitous, warmongering nation on earth. The rest of the world hates Amerika - with very good reason.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Spelling America with a 'k' denotes a post-constitutional Amerika.

    When I was young and naive I loved my country, and believed we were the bulwark against "the evil empire", but decades of reading and observing have opened my eyes to what a lie that is.

    Amerika is the most imperialistic, terroristic, duplicitous, warmongering nation on earth. The rest of the world hates Amerika - with very good reason.
    If I was to pay for your airfare out of this nation, would you accept? I certainly dont want you to have to suffer in such a bad place.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Still you're circular argument. Christianity doesn't get any brownie points for ceasing bad behavior, something that the true religion should have known all along, lol. Without Christians taking that gospel message to the world, the world would be unaware of that two thousand year aged mythical figure. There's nothing unique, or credit worthy.
    Exactly, giving credit to Christianity for 'seeing the light' on slavery when their Clubhouse Manifesto (the Bible) not only allows for slavery - it practically encourages it and even specifically allows for slaves to be beaten (just so long as they are not killed) - is absolute nonsense.

    It's only when Christians went AGAINST the writings in the Bible that slavery was outlawed.



    I guarantee you for centuries, Christians used various passages in the Bible to justify their horrible practices of slavery. Now they are claiming Christianity is responsible for slaveries eradication?

    Lol...yeah Christian Leap-of-Faithers, keep that ridiculous argument up and see how far you get with it outside of your own club members.
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Obama is the most contentious issue in American politics.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....



    I did It didn't tell me anything I didn't already know - there was an anti-slavery bias in Christianity (and no other faith or belief system) from:



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    I notice you used the NIV translation of Bible.
    King James and ISV and some other versions do not use the words slave traders.


    New International Version
    for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

    New Living Translation
    The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching

    English Standard Version
    the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

    New American Standard Bible
    and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

    King James Bible
    For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching

    International Standard Version
    for those involved in sexual immorality, for homosexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for false witnesses, and for whatever else goes against the healthy teaching

    NET Bible
    sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers--in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    Laws are intended for people involved in sexual sins, for homosexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for those who lie when they take an oath, and for whatever else is against accurate teachings.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    for fornicators, for homosexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

    King James 2000 Bible
    For fornicators, for homosexuals, for slave traders, for liars, for perjurers, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    American King James Version
    For fornicators, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for enslavers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    American Standard Version
    for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine,

    Darby Bible Translation
    fornicators, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers; and if any other thing is opposed to sound teaching,

    English Revised Version
    for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

    Webster's Bible Translation
    For lewd persons, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men-stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

    Weymouth New Testament
    fornicators, sodomites, slave-dealers, liars and false witnesses; and for whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching

    World English Bible
    for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

    Young's Literal Translation
    whoremongers, sodomites, men-stealers, liars, perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse,
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If I was to pay for your airfare out of this nation, would you accept? I certainly dont want you to have to suffer in such a bad place.
    After the collapse there will be nowhere to run... in the 1930's German citizens were able to flee to America and other countries, but the world being made into a global prison - or at least that is the goal of the Establishment.

    If you don't understand that liberty in America is being systematically dismantled; and that a fascist police state is being fastened upon us, then you aren't paying attention and don't understand history, human nature, or power.

    What is happening to America is nothing new - it is history repeated.

    If you really are a conservative, you should be first and foremost an advocate of liberty - yet most conservatives have morphed into neo-cons and are more akin to fascists, imperialistic fascists at that.

    I am an advocate of republican government, private property, and personal liberty - few Americans can abide by those simple social foundations anymore.

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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Still you're circular argument. Christianity doesn't get any brownie points for ceasing bad behavior, something that the true religion should have known all along, lol.
    Christianity immediately called for the ceasing of any abuses inside of dou'lo - demanding that masters treat their servants as their equals, and serve them as they were served by Christ. That Christians continued to sin is, well, pretty much in keeping with one of Christianity's most basic teachings: Original Sin.
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    Re: What is the most contentious issue in American politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    After the collapse there will be nowhere to run... in the 1930's German citizens were able to flee to America and other countries, but the world being made into a global prison - or at least that is the goal of the Establishment.

    If you don't understand that liberty in America is being systematically dismantled; and that a fascist police state is being fastened upon us, then you aren't paying attention and don't understand history, human nature, or power.

    What is happening to America is nothing new - it is history repeated.

    If you really are a conservative, you should be first and foremost an advocate of liberty - yet most conservatives have morphed into neo-cons and are more akin to fascists, imperialistic fascists at that.

    I am an advocate of republican government, private property, and personal liberty - few Americans can abide by those simple social foundations anymore.
    Im in the heart of liberal darkness, I can't spit without hitting a liberal. I understand exactly what the threat is, and I see it on display more here than elsewhere.

    However, I still love my country and fight for it.

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