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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Asking this question because recently one of my favorite bands System of a Down is starting a tour, and they are doing it in commemoration of 100th anniversary of "The Great Crime" (the Armenian Genocide) System of a Down to Commemorate Armenian Genocide | Al Jazeera America . This sparked my interest to see what DP's opinion on the manner is.

    Many countries have not recognized the Armenian Genocide. Its a topic of heated debate. The US government has not recognized it, but 44 states have.

    My question to you is: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?
    Of course the US government doesn't recognise it, it doesn't even recognise its own.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Would it acceptable for me to start a separate poll about every alleged genocide and major persecution that occurred in the world over the last 100 years?

    The government of the Ottoman empire no longer exists. Hasn't existed for a very long time. Of M.E. Muslim dominated countries Turkey TODAY is one of the most liberal and tolerant of all - probably THE most intolerant and diverse.

    But hey, let's not ask if intensely oppressive theocratic Muslim dictatorships persecuted (genocided) non-Muslims or other people. Let's focus on the least oppressive Muslim country and search for anything in their past to condemn to generate hatred against another of the USA's allies.

    What about the UK? Did they "persecute" the people of India? How about a poll on that?

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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Thank you for the like, Medusa. I suppose this poll is to call upon you to defend your country. That get's old, doesn't it?

    This poll is not about anything currently topical in the USA or significantly anywhere in the world.

    I like demso .I am glad this thread wasnt started by a turkey hater bigot
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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what kind of sources are they ?
    Ones that Turks tend to dismiss because they don't fit their national narrative. Few nations outside of Germany have accepted that they took part in a genocide.
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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ones that Turks tend to dismiss because they don't fit their national narrative. Few nations outside of Germany have accepted that they took part in a genocide.
    YES ,Where are those sources ?
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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ones that Turks tend to dismiss because they don't fit their national narrative. Few nations outside of Germany have accepted that they took part in a genocide.
    Has China ever "accepted that they took part in genocide?" I do believe the US government does not accept the word "genocide" in relation to Native Americans and many if not most Americans will deny it was a government mandated "genocide."

    When India was divided between Muslims and Hindus, there definitely was genocide. But neither national authority had ordered it nor could they stop it.

    Turkey disputes two things:
    1. That there was an order from the national government to kill all Armenians. Rather, this was localized. That appears largely true.
    2. That there was a lot of killing going on by everyone and in war and revolution or imminent war and revolution context.

    Was the terrorism by the KKK actions by the American government? In the past it certainly was widespread. And the national government did little to stop it. Most countries - particularly in the past - didn't have all-control federal authority of regions, states or even townships.

    Proving a genocide occurred does not mean the national government ordered it.
    Last edited by joko104; 04-07-15 at 03:54 PM.

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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ones that Turks tend to dismiss because they don't fit their national narrative. Few nations outside of Germany have accepted that they took part in a genocide.
    Including the US and Britain.
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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    YES ,Where are those sources ?
    They're in the link I posted. Unless you see "citation needed", they're all in the link that I posted.
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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Has China ever "accepted that they took part in genocide?" I do believe the US government does not accept the word "genocide" in relation to Native Americans and many if not most Americans will deny it was a government mandated "genocide."

    When India was divided between Muslims and Hindus, there definitely was genocide. But neither national authority had ordered it nor could they stop it.

    Turkey disputes two things:
    1. That there was an order from the national government to kill all Armenians. Rather, this was localized. That appears largely true.
    2. That there was a lot of killing going on by everyone and in war and revolution or imminent war and revolution context.

    What the terrorism by the KKK actions by the American government? In the past it certainly was widespread.

    Proving a genocide occurred does not mean the national government ordered it.
    There is nothing localized about 1.5 million people who were killed through marches and concentration camps.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Did the Ottoman Empire Commit Genocide Against the Armenians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is nothing localized about 1.5 million people who were killed through marches and concentration camps.
    Are you referring to the Trail of Tears and reservations?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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