"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.
It seems to be the nature of man to destroy what he cannot understand .
A good subject, maybe "too good', for a future movie .. "genocide" .. another is "Intolerance 2" .
ISIS lives on ignorance and fear and they have destroyed a library in Iraq ...maybe there was the answer ?
No vote , again , I simply do not know , nor do I trust many sources .
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The situation here is no different. I have no doubt that during WW1 the situation in the area was made far worse in the western media that it actually was. But that of course does not excuse the actions of the Ottomans of the time, or the end result at all.. but there is one hell of a difference in saying that 10000 Armenians were killed or 1 million... both are horrible, but it is the 1 million that sticks and it is the 1 million that makes it genocide, where as 10000 is just "it was war, **** happens".
And in no way does it reflect the Turkish state today, as in no way does the American Indian genocide reflect the American administration of today (or the last 60 years).
The term "genocide" is recent. 1940s, roughly.
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The international legal definition of genocide - Prevent Genocide International
The Genocide Convention in International Law — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
In 1948, the United Nations General Assembly voted unanimously to create the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (external link). Recognizing that “at all periods of history genocide has inflicted great losses on humanity” and that international cooperation was needed “to liberate mankind from this odious scourge,” the Convention criminalized certain acts committed with the intent to destroy ethnic, national, racial, or religious groups.
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One that fits every single genocide but not every war. If there is a policy to destroy a group of people culturally and not economic and cultural subjugation, it's a genocide.That is a very broad definition of genocide and a very dangerous one. Pretty much any war of conquest between nations falls under this description.
Yes, but what is the relevance of the numbers to whether it's a genocide or not? There is no association between genocide and the holocaust. There is however an acknowledgement that the holocaust was in fact a genocide. One of many that have occurred throughout time. I don't read about the Armenian Genocide and think "Oh man! Just like the nazis! That's not anachronistic!"And that is what is disputed... the numbers. Was there a forced deportation of disloyal Armenians by the Ottomans during the last years of Empire.. yes. Did many die, most likely, but the accusations include more people than officially registered or estimated, and THAT means the claim is a bit iffy to say the least.
But lets be clear, there was an organised attempt of ethnic cleansing that cost the lives of many thousands of people and no one is denying this... not even the Turks themselves. The issue is labelling it as a genocide.. a term associated with the Jewish holocaust, and that is the point. People, especially politicians, are trying to link acts of mass murder by political opponents to the acts of the Nazi´s.. and thereby tainting them forever as "modern Nazi's". It is one of the reasons that the US officially denies that the treatment of the native American Indians was genocide.
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
Other wars are fought for many other reasons like aggression, territory disputes, land, resources, terrorism, wealth, etc, etc. which may have that component in it, but not the main reason... or one the main reasons.