Christians can't even agree what it means to be "Christian". Let alone all the rest that make up this country. Clearly a no. I was reading about the "Hour of Power" guy who died recently. Apparently the fire and brimstone crowd didn't like him much because he preached a "power of positive thinking" approach. Something about Jesus never actually calling a human being a sinner". You probably would need to define what a christian nation is.
Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
And you opinion changes nothing I said princess.Originally Posted by Crovax
"We are never done with lessons, not while we live"
Yes it is
But Do we have to do this Again?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...an-nation.html
running 55 pages and a Month last summer.
(The OP is newer member however)
Didn't ANYONE else who posted previous/in both remember?
EDIT:
Note the Usual EMPTY Hostility of Redress below.
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I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
anon
Wallbuilders is not a reliable source for Founding Father quotes. The "quote" in your post cannot be attributed to Mr Jefferson by the place which maintains his papers - Monticello
Barton (Wallbuilders) has one document signed by Jefferson with the concluding phrase “In the year of our Lord Christ” . It is basically a permission slip for a merchant vessel to proceed to London. It was a standard government form of the period resulting from “A Treaty of Amity and Commerce” between the U.S. and the Netherlands which stipulated the letter’s form, including the ‘Lord Christ’ signature. It is very likely that it was the Dutch who asked for the phrase to be included, the standard American dating style simply said "in the year of the Lord _____ "Quotation: "Sir, no nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man, and I as chief magistrate of this nation am bound to give it the sanction of my example."
Variations: None known.
Sources consulted:
Papers of Thomas Jefferson Digital Edition
Thomas Jefferson retirement papers
Thomas Jefferson: Papers and Biographies collections in Hathi Trust Digital Library
America's Historical Newspapers
America's Historical Imprints
19th Century U.S. Newspapers
American Periodicals Series
Earliest appearance in print: 1857
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
The controvercy comes from what people mean by a christian nation. If it means a nation based on christian faith, then no, we are not. If it means a country with a vast majority christian populace, then yes we are. What happens is those thinking of the former meaning yell past those thinking of the latter meaning, both thinking they are absolutely correct.
We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham
Well, you are wrong, and if most people had a hissy fit because a thread to discuss something that had been discussed before was started, then just about every thread would be a hissy fit.
And making your font bigger does not make you right, it just looks ugly.
We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham
I don't think so:
“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding...
{Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823}”
― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson
Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
Greetings, WCH.
I have little to say except this: You do not speak for most Christians, Mr. President, and everything the well-organized groups of anti-Christians can do to harass and belittle them does not make it so. It unites them in ways you will never understand, whether they attend a church regularly or not! They are the group you sneeringly referred to as "working class people who cling to guns and religion." Your own words made it clear that you acknowledge that "Christians" are not a fringe group you can easily wish away and dismiss! Christians are not beheading and burning people alive and committing other atrocities in the name of their God, as the terrorists in the ME are doing in the name of theirs! They contribute to charities to help the disadvantaged, they expect our flag to be honored, and they respect our Constitution and Bill of Rights, as set forth by this nation's founders!
The USA is a plethora of religions and non-religions. That is what makes it great.
"Being President doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are"
You might try reading some sources other than your usualGreetings, WCH.
I have little to say except this: You do not speak for most Christians, Mr. President, and everything the well-organized groups of anti-Christians can do to harass and belittle them does not make it so. It unites them in ways you will never understand, whether they attend a church regularly or not! They are the group you sneeringly referred to as "working class people who cling to guns and religion." Your own words made it clear that you acknowledge that "Christians" are not a fringe group you can easily wish away and dismiss! Christians are not beheading and burning people alive and committing other atrocities in the name of their God, as the terrorists in the ME are doing in the name of theirs! They contribute to charities to help the disadvantaged, they expect our flag to be honored, and they respect our Constitution and Bill of Rights, as set forth by this nation's founders!
Christian militias take bloody revenge on Muslims in Central African Republic | World news | The Guardian
Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.
Amnesty International has called it "ethnic cleansing" and warned of a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions".
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
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