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Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discrimination?

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No, they're stating catering to a gay wedding goes against their beliefs, if a gay man walked in to one of the bakeries and ordered a cake that said "Happy Birthday Clarence" there would be zero issue.

What if an adulterer asked to have a cake made? Assuming that the adulterer made his sin known. Keeping in mind that, on the Biblical sin scale, adultery is far worse than gay sex.
 
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These people are not Christians, their Nazi's. Jesus hung out with hookers, gays & misfits. He didn't give a rats ass who or what you were.
 
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I don't agree with these laws, on the other hand, don't you think people have a right to insulate themselves from things that the feel are wrong?


youd have to define insult but in general yes, of course, as long as it doesnt break the law or infringe on others rights. Theres no special rules for my religion in society i have to play by the same rules as everybody else.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

What if an adulterer asked to have a cake made? Assuming that the adulterer made his sin known. Keeping in mind that, on the Biblical sin scale, adultery is far worse than gay sex.

Well I dunno I'm not a bakery owner.

I would serve the adulterer though, I would not create a cake to knowingly honor such a relationship. then again that's just because I'm against affairs as destroying families, not so much the religious aspect.

but I'm sure if the "Aldulterer" went to a Christian bakery and said I want a cake for my secret lover for when I tell my wife i'm working late, they would object to that to.
 
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youd have to define insult but in general yes, of course, as long as it doesnt break the law or infringe on others rights. Theres no special rules for my religion in society i have to play by the same rules as everybody else.

Well, lets look at this from another angle. Let's use an example from an earlier post. Let's suppose that I felt so strongly about adultery that I wanted to insulate myself and my family from the influence of people that engage in the practice. How is it exactly infringing on someone's rights if I refused to serve such people in my business?
 
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You do know that many Churches are splitting apart due to this- And that includes conservative & some would say Liberal Churches as well.
I would like to see some numbers on your point?

and the reaction from huckabee and other fanatics is to do MORE discriminating

it is their fault they're in this position, no sympathy from me
 
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Then next time you're down and out try finding a BITTER ATHEIST'S HOMELESS SHELTER. :)

Funny story. When I was down on my luck, and without a friend, a Christian helped me. She gave me my first real job and served as moral support until she passed away. While you, who claim to be a Christian, would punch down on people with differences or disadvantages, a true Christian would listen to the positive scripture and lift that person up.

Oh, and that Christian who helped me was gay.
 
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I wonder if they would serve a Petafile Priest.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

My personal feelings is that there is a stronger case to be made against such discrimination based on the notion that it violates the religious principles of tolerance and mercy when people are eager to condemn people in this way. If you really analyze things strictly no one perfectly follows religious principles. As such we all are full of sinful tendencies and therefore we need to practice tolerance, mercy and try to show love to one another.

As far as rights go, it seems to me like you may be discriminating against a person by denying them service at your place of business because you think they have some fault with respect to religious principles, but on the other hand you are violating a persons rights to practice their religion as they see fit if you make them serve such a person, no matter how misguided their understanding of religion might be.

Just saying.
 
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I'm not sure why I'm held to this ambiguous standard. From Wikipedia:



I'm open to other ways of phrasing 'large numbers of Christians'.
Ambiguous- well many would fit that, same as large numbers meets the criteria
When it comes down to it Wiki is well??????????????????
Not asking you to rush, if time permits look around.
If not I am fine with that as well.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Certainly some person's choices and behaviors bother me, but it's not like I have some imagination that I have a right to have a couple instead of a yard full of screaming kids. I do not have that right regardless of my personal wishes. Do you think somehow you have a right to your wish lists and ideal situations?

No of course not. But to keep a neighborhood from conflict they have zoning laws, that may prohibit an amount of dogs for an example etc. If you don't like a screaming kid at the next table as you are wanting a quite evening dinner you have the choice to discriminate against that restaurant and not come back. But I do have the right to not go where I feel uncomfortable nor would I want them to infringe on my space and in that case I would move or leave the restaurant etc. You go to a movie and there is a screaming kid and people talking on their cell, yet you paid to see the movie in a comfortable setting. Does the theater have any right to throw them out or you to jump up and say "shut the **** up". So there are rights to certain conduct and we have laws that are enforced to keep those laws. We also have restaurants that don't allow no shoes or no shirts etc. This goes to personal conduct.

This of course has nothing to do with color or whatever. But if a business has certain beliefs of personal conduct, does that business have the right to not service that person?
 
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Nope. Christianity will survive when the pro-gay bullies have been judged immoral and cast into the Lake of Fire.

What I love today is the $266K raised so far for the Memories Pizza place.
266 K - would feed a lot of people. And where does it go........................
What a waste.
Lake of fire.
That is so................................................ Old Testament.
 
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1.)Well, lets look at this from another angle. Let's use an example from an earlier post.
2.) Let's suppose that I felt so strongly about adultery that I wanted to insulate myself and my family from the influence of people that engage in the practice.
3.) How is it exactly infringing on someone's rights if I refused to serve such people in my business?

1.) ok, im game for any scenerios
2.) that alone isnt illegal discrimaintion or infringing on rights . . it depends on your actions though
3.) well in this case it probably would not . . "adulterers" dont fit protected classes . . . . you "MIGHT" be ok
gender, race, religion, sex and in some areas sexual orientation does fit

and if you illegally discriminate based on those you are in fact infringing on rights, breaking the law and by definition are a bigot
 
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I wonder if they would serve a Petafile Priest.

Do you have something positive to add?
 
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Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that

It's called being in cahoots

You haven't even researched it have you? You just drink your Kool Aid and spit out another bs lie.

RFRA: How A Local TV Station Ruined A Family Business | The Daily Caller

Alyssa Marino is a reporter with ABC 57 News in South Bend, Indiana. With her state in the center of a hurricane over religious freedom, Marino must’ve thought she’d had a coup – a devout Christian business owner willing to speak on camera about their religious beliefs and how it impacts the operations of that business.

So how did Marino find Memories Pizza? Brian Dorman, the ABC 57 anchor, opened the broadcast by saying, “We went into small towns tonight for reaction to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. We found one business just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend with a much different view.” (Emphasis added.)

ABC 57 instigated the interview, not the pizza restaurant.

So enjoy your Kool Aid. LOL!
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

My personal feelings is that there is a stronger case to be made against such discrimination based on the notion that it violates the religious principles of tolerance and mercy when people are eager to condemn people in this way. If you really analyze things strictly no one perfectly follows religious principles. As such we all are full of sinful tendencies and therefore we need to practice tolerance, mercy and try to show love to one another.

As far as rights go, it seems to me like you may be discriminating against a person by denying them service at your place of business because you think they have some fault with respect to religious principles, but on the other hand you are violating a persons rights to practice their religion as they see fit if you make them serve such a person, no matter how misguided their understanding of religion might be.

Just saying.

as you word it people factually do NOT have that right . . .its not a blanket right . . . and it certainly ends when it infringes on others . . .
we already restrict some religious things like cannibalism, pedophilia etc . . . its nothing new and people have made claims of religious backing to discriminate before. Hell a VERY easy case could be made that women are seen as lessers in many religions but they still have rights and in the public realm outside of church/personal relationships they are equals in legality
 
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1.) ok, im game for any scenerios
2.) that alone isnt illegal discrimaintion or infringing on rights . . it depends on your actions though
3.) well in this case it probably would not . . "adulterers" dont fit protected classes . . . . you "MIGHT" be ok
gender, race, religion, sex and in some areas sexual orientation does fit

and if you illegally discriminate based on those you are in fact infringing on rights, breaking the law and by definition are a bigot

Well J like I said, I don't agree with those laws and I think they are a big mistake. But that said, as a black person, what I find troubling is that I can find no justification for my position in terms of legal rights outside of some subjective value judgements that are made by whomever is in power at a particular point in history. I suppose what I am searching for is something stronger than that, but I have yet to find it.

Just saying.
 
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You haven't even researched it have you? You just drink your Kool Aid and spit out another bs lie.

RFRA: How A Local TV Station Ruined A Family Business | The Daily Caller

Alyssa Marino is a reporter with ABC 57 News in South Bend, Indiana. With her state in the center of a hurricane over religious freedom, Marino must’ve thought she’d had a coup – a devout Christian business owner willing to speak on camera about their religious beliefs and how it impacts the operations of that business.

So how did Marino find Memories Pizza? Brian Dorman, the ABC 57 anchor, opened the broadcast by saying, “We went into small towns tonight for reaction to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. We found one business just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend with a much different view.” (Emphasis added.)

ABC 57 instigated the interview, not the pizza restaurant.

So enjoy your Kool Aid. LOL!

I've no more reason to believe that than anything the pizza shop claims
 
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Do you have something positive to add?

Serious question man. I'm catholic, & we had one of these Priest at our church. Plus the hypocrisy of these people is unreal. I could see them being OK with it because he's a Priest
 
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1.)Well J like I said, I don't agree with those laws and I think they are a big mistake. But that said, as a black person, what I find troubling is that I can find no justification for my position in terms of legal rights outside of some subjective value judgements that are made by whomever is in power at a particular point in history. I suppose what I am searching for is something stronger than that, but I have yet to find it.

Just saying.
you confused me now

you dont agree with what laws and what isnt good enough? the 14th amendment, civil rights, equal rights and anti-discrimination laws?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

as you word it people factually do NOT have that right . . .its not a blanket right . . . and it certainly ends when it infringes on others . . .
we already restrict some religious things like cannibalism, pedophilia etc . . . its nothing new and people have made claims of religious backing to discriminate before. Hell a VERY easy case could be made that women are seen as lessers in many religions but they still have rights and in the public realm outside of church/personal relationships they are equals in legality

I hear what you are saying J, but intellectually, those things rest on subjective value judgements. For example what if cannibalism was accepted in society? What if someone's religious beliefs led them to not want to serve cannibals under those circumstances?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that

It's called being in cahoots

Ah, it was a cleverly crafted conspiracy! :lamo
 
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Funny story. When I was down on my luck, and without a friend, a Christian helped me. She gave me my first real job and served as moral support until she passed away. While you, who claim to be a Christian, would punch down on people with differences or disadvantages, a true Christian would listen to the positive scripture and lift that person up.

Oh, and that Christian who helped me was gay.

Tsk, tsk...

Well, your "Christian" friend obviously never heard of Luke 13:3. Because if by the time she dies she hasn't repented of any gay sex sins she's committed she won't have to like her eternal fate.

What does Luke 13:3 say?

"But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

So called gay Christians always seem to forget about that very important warning by Jesus.

But I'll tell them the truth. Love speaks the truth and doesn't pat gay sex sinners on the back on their way down to perdition, telling them they're doing fine.

So that's the Achille's Heel of the active "gay Christian" crowd. Repentance, and turning away from a sinful lifestyle. It's very seldom you ever see it. And it will come back to bite them big time.
 
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1.)I hear what you are saying J, but intellectually, those things rest on subjective value judgement.
2.) For example what I cannibalism was accepted in society? What if someone's religious beliefs led them to not want to serve cannibals under those circumstances?

1.) well in that case EVERYTHING is subjective but in this country we have rights and a constitution and thats how our society works
2.) i dont really know how to answer this because it involves to many what ifs


are you asking me if canniblism was ok but you refused to serve them based on your religion would that be ok . . . .
im not sure . . . if cannibalism was a religion, and you served what they wanted no you would not be allowed to illegally discriminate against them based on religion and vice versa . . thats how a civil society based on freedoms, rights and out constitution works
 
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