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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    as you word it people factually do NOT have that right . . .its not a blanket right . . . and it certainly ends when it infringes on others . . .
    we already restrict some religious things like cannibalism, pedophilia etc . . . its nothing new and people have made claims of religious backing to discriminate before. Hell a VERY easy case could be made that women are seen as lessers in many religions but they still have rights and in the public realm outside of church/personal relationships they are equals in legality
    I hear what you are saying J, but intellectually, those things rest on subjective value judgements. For example what if cannibalism was accepted in society? What if someone's religious beliefs led them to not want to serve cannibals under those circumstances?

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you confused me now

    you dont agree with what laws and what isnt good enough? the 14th amendment, civil rights, equal rights and anti-discrimination laws?
    See this post and let me know what you think

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064490311

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that

    It's called being in cahoots
    Ah, it was a cleverly crafted conspiracy!

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Funny story. When I was down on my luck, and without a friend, a Christian helped me. She gave me my first real job and served as moral support until she passed away. While you, who claim to be a Christian, would punch down on people with differences or disadvantages, a true Christian would listen to the positive scripture and lift that person up.

    Oh, and that Christian who helped me was gay.
    Tsk, tsk...

    Well, your "Christian" friend obviously never heard of Luke 13:3. Because if by the time she dies she hasn't repented of any gay sex sins she's committed she won't have to like her eternal fate.

    What does Luke 13:3 say?

    "But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

    So called gay Christians always seem to forget about that very important warning by Jesus.

    But I'll tell them the truth. Love speaks the truth and doesn't pat gay sex sinners on the back on their way down to perdition, telling them they're doing fine.

    So that's the Achille's Heel of the active "gay Christian" crowd. Repentance, and turning away from a sinful lifestyle. It's very seldom you ever see it. And it will come back to bite them big time.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    1.)I hear what you are saying J, but intellectually, those things rest on subjective value judgement.
    2.) For example what I cannibalism was accepted in society? What if someone's religious beliefs led them to not want to serve cannibals under those circumstances?
    1.) well in that case EVERYTHING is subjective but in this country we have rights and a constitution and thats how our society works
    2.) i dont really know how to answer this because it involves to many what ifs


    are you asking me if canniblism was ok but you refused to serve them based on your religion would that be ok . . . .
    im not sure . . . if cannibalism was a religion, and you served what they wanted no you would not be allowed to illegally discriminate against them based on religion and vice versa . . thats how a civil society based on freedoms, rights and out constitution works
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    266 K - would feed a lot of people. And where does it go........................
    What a waste.
    Lake of fire.
    That is so................................................ Old Testament.
    Actually, the Lake of Fire is New Testament (Revelation chapter 20).

    Have you ever read the Bible? Recommend the NIV Study Bible, or the MacArthur Study Bible. Both have lots of notes.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I've no more reason to believe that than anything the pizza shop claims
    Like I said, enjoy the Kool Aid!
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) well in that case EVERYTHING is subjective but in this country we have rights and a constitution and thats how our society works
    2.) i dont really know how to answer this because it involves to many what ifs


    are you asking me if canniblism was ok but you refused to serve them based on your religion would that be ok . . . .
    im not sure
    . . . if cannibalism was a religion, and you served what they wanted no you would not be allowed to illegally discriminate against them based on religion and vice versa . . thats how a civil society based on freedoms, rights and out constitution works
    The underlined is what I am asking. Any rate, like I said, what I find troubling is that these things rest on people's subjective value judgements and those things can change. I say that as a black person from a part of the country that not too long ago did things legally like not allowing blacks to attend school with whites under the pretext of a Supreme Court principle of "separate but equal." That such rights rest on such a shaky ground is troubling to me.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Like I said, enjoy the Kool Aid!
    that would imply i got this idea from someone else. It's entirely my own i assure you

    as opposed to all the hateful biblical tirades you spew on here. Theists have been plagiarizing from that for thousands of years

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The underlined is what I am asking.

    1.) Any rate, like I said, what I find troubling is that these things rest on people's subjective value judgements and those things can change.
    2.) I say that as a black person from a part of the country that not too long ago did things legally like not allowing blacks to attend school with whites under the pretext of a Supreme Court principle of "separate but equal." That such rights rest on such a shaky ground is troubling to me.
    1.) well what you are saying isnt exactly true, they do rest on peoples judgement but those things were made into a constitution and laws and rights . . . . so its a little more in depth than that. ALso why do you find the constitution, rights and laws troubling?

    what is your solution, anything they are based on is going to come down to people in some way

    2.) i dont see the "shaky" part . . . in 2016 it is very sound
    but again how would you possible make it unshaky if constitutions, rights and laws dont do that for you?
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