Thread: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discrimination?

Originally Posted by Summerwind

Certainly some person's choices and behaviors bother me, but it's not like I have some imagination that I have a right to have a couple instead of a yard full of screaming kids. I do not have that right regardless of my personal wishes. Do you think somehow you have a right to your wish lists and ideal situations?

No of course not. But to keep a neighborhood from conflict they have zoning laws, that may prohibit an amount of dogs for an example etc. If you don't like a screaming kid at the next table as you are wanting a quite evening dinner you have the choice to discriminate against that restaurant and not come back. But I do have the right to not go where I feel uncomfortable nor would I want them to infringe on my space and in that case I would move or leave the restaurant etc. You go to a movie and there is a screaming kid and people talking on their cell, yet you paid to see the movie in a comfortable setting. Does the theater have any right to throw them out or you to jump up and say "shut the **** up". So there are rights to certain conduct and we have laws that are enforced to keep those laws. We also have restaurants that don't allow no shoes or no shirts etc. This goes to personal conduct.

This of course has nothing to do with color or whatever. But if a business has certain beliefs of personal conduct, does that business have the right to not service that person?

Originally Posted by Logicman

Nope. Christianity will survive when the pro-gay bullies have been judged immoral and cast into the Lake of Fire.

What I love today is the $266K raised so far for the Memories Pizza place.

266 K - would feed a lot of people. And where does it go........................
What a waste.
Lake of fire.
That is so................................................ Old Testament.

Originally Posted by MildSteel

1.)Well, lets look at this from another angle. Let's use an example from an earlier post.
2.) Let's suppose that I felt so strongly about adultery that I wanted to insulate myself and my family from the influence of people that engage in the practice.
3.) How is it exactly infringing on someone's rights if I refused to serve such people in my business?

1.) ok, im game for any scenerios
2.) that alone isnt illegal discrimaintion or infringing on rights . . it depends on your actions though
3.) well in this case it probably would not . . "adulterers" dont fit protected classes . . . . you "MIGHT" be ok
gender, race, religion, sex and in some areas sexual orientation does fit

and if you illegally discriminate based on those you are in fact infringing on rights, breaking the law and by definition are a bigot

Originally Posted by kjwins

I wonder if they would serve a Petafile Priest.

Do you have something positive to add?

Originally Posted by chromium

Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that

It's called being in cahoots

You haven't even researched it have you? You just drink your Kool Aid and spit out another bs lie.

RFRA: How A Local TV Station Ruined A Family Business | The Daily Caller

Alyssa Marino is a reporter with ABC 57 News in South Bend, Indiana. With her state in the center of a hurricane over religious freedom, Marino must’ve thought she’d had a coup – a devout Christian business owner willing to speak on camera about their religious beliefs and how it impacts the operations of that business.

So how did Marino find Memories Pizza? Brian Dorman, the ABC 57 anchor, opened the broadcast by saying, “We went into small towns tonight for reaction to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. We found one business just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend with a much different view.” (Emphasis added.)

ABC 57 instigated the interview, not the pizza restaurant.

So enjoy your Kool Aid. LOL!

Originally Posted by MildSteel

My personal feelings is that there is a stronger case to be made against such discrimination based on the notion that it violates the religious principles of tolerance and mercy when people are eager to condemn people in this way. If you really analyze things strictly no one perfectly follows religious principles. As such we all are full of sinful tendencies and therefore we need to practice tolerance, mercy and try to show love to one another.

As far as rights go, it seems to me like you may be discriminating against a person by denying them service at your place of business because you think they have some fault with respect to religious principles, but on the other hand you are violating a persons rights to practice their religion as they see fit if you make them serve such a person, no matter how misguided their understanding of religion might be.

Just saying.

as you word it people factually do NOT have that right . . .its not a blanket right . . . and it certainly ends when it infringes on others . . .
we already restrict some religious things like cannibalism, pedophilia etc . . . its nothing new and people have made claims of religious backing to discriminate before. Hell a VERY easy case could be made that women are seen as lessers in many religions but they still have rights and in the public realm outside of church/personal relationships they are equals in legality

Originally Posted by MildSteel

1.)Well J like I said, I don't agree with those laws and I think they are a big mistake. But that said, as a black person, what I find troubling is that I can find no justification for my position in terms of legal rights outside of some subjective value judgements that are made by whomever is in power at a particular point in history. I suppose what I am searching for is something stronger than that, but I have yet to find it.

Just saying.

you confused me now

you dont agree with what laws and what isnt good enough? the 14th amendment, civil rights, equal rights and anti-discrimination laws?