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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The only person YOU can condemn to hell is yourself. You don't actually read the Bible much, do you?
    Tsk tsk...

    I've only been reading it for 40 years, joko. Probably only a novice compared to you, right? LOL.

    And as far as salvation goes I've ALREADY crossed over to eternal life in Jesus Christ (John 5:24, etc.).

    Also, you might want to think more about what you wrote here:

    joko104: Biblical doctrine does not prohibit a gay couple being a couple. Nor do many Christian denominations. The only prohibition they have is against homosexual sex. The latest position of most anti-SSM Christian denominations is that being gay isn't sinful, but homosexual sex is. It is, specifically, the sexual act itself that is the sin.
    Because you're only partly right. You'll need to add to that what Jesus said in Matthew 5:27-28 -

    Jesus: "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

    Do you think that kind of a sin is just for heterosexuals? You'd be wrong. If one is gay and one lusts for another gay, whether they're married or not, then they also have sinned. Because it's either fornication or adultery that one is thinking / lusting about. And both are wrong. And don't even try to tell me gays never lust after other people of the same sex.

    And now you know the rest of the story.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. There is a distinct difference between serving sinners (which we all do) and serving sin. It's not the food (I would equally not wish to serve as a wedding photographer, or as a wedding planner), it's the event (the activity, as we called it at the beginning, though for precision of language we have chosen to more narrowly define it). It's the meaning, the purpose.
    There is a difference in the way in which one is implicated if he is serving food at an event that is advocating sin, and if he serves food to people who are engaging in sin at an event that is not directly advocating sin. But but in both cases one is most certainly implicated. The thing is this, if you are serving God you are serving God. If you are serving sinners, you are serving sin. There is no way around it. The bottom line is that it depends on the motivation. One can serve food to people who are advocating sin and engaging in sin, IF AND ONLY IF one is purely motivated to please God by doing it. There cannot be the slightest tinge of self aggrandizement. This is because God can see and understand everything, and for a person whose motive is purely to please God, there is no question of being affected by sin, because God is with such a person. Therefore Jesus said the following

    And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
    Jesus would not feed people an event with the motive to make some money so he could enjoy mundane objects, so people could look up to him because of his material possessions, because he wife was nagging him to buy her a fur coat, so that he could afford the company of a beautiful young woman, so that he could buy off a politician, so that he could buy weapons to kill his enemies, so that he could enjoy a vacation, or to stop the bill collectors from harassing him. If he would do such a thing, his motivation for doing so would be merely to glorify God, not for any sort of enjoyment or credit for himself. This is due to Jesus understanding perfectly that everything rests on God's energy, and as such everything is meant for the glorification of God. Mundane people become implicated in sin due to their motivation to glorify and please themselves. Jesus is not implicated in sin because his motivation is always to please God. If one has the slightest motive for self aggrandizement, he is most certainly implicated in sin when he engages in sinful activity or facilitates in any small way sinful activity. This is why Jesus said it is not what goes in that implicates a person in sin, it is actually what is in the person heart, i.e. the motivation that implicates him.

    So if you cater to an event, and your motivation is some sort of self aggrandizement in the form profit, fame, adoration, or distinction, then you are certainly implicated in the sin that your catering facilitates in the form of providing energy to people who are engaging in sinful activity. If however your motivation is purely to glorify and serve God, there is no such implication. Jesus said, one cannot serve two masters, because he will either love one and hate the other. So you are either serving and glorifying God in all of your activity or you are serving sin.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    The Anglican Church is the most pro-gay-rights and socially liberal of all major denominations. It also is the most dead and least attended.

    Religion isn't a corporate marketing scheme or a partisan political campaign. The more socially correct a religion becomes the more it fades away as irrelevant.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yes? An adulterer has their spouse at least to satisfy themselves, or they can divorce and remarry, like one of my uncles has done 3x. The options for homosexuals is nothing by comparison and since like 98-99% of them are not lifelong celibate, this a pretty worthless distinction you're making. A gay couple is not going to be celibate, unless they're in the nursing home
    ...actually, divorce and re-marry is adultery. In that way, a divorcee is not dissimilar, Biblically speaking, from a gay person as having sex in a gay or divorced (even with re-marriage) relationship would be adultery (Mt 5: 31-32)

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Laws are / can be shaky as we have seen them overturned, additions made to, exclusions and on and on.
    yes they can, I agree 100% and im not denying that.
    I was asking what the solution is.

    In this cases there are rights laws and the constitution all supporting something. And it was claimed thats way to shakey and mudane which is just s a very silly claim so i want to know what is a better way.
    It Laws, rights and the constitution is not good enough, what then?
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes they can, I agree 100% and im not denying that.
    I was asking what the solution is.

    In this cases there are rights laws and the constitution all supporting something. And it was claimed thats way to shakey and mudane which is just s a very silly claim so i want to know what is a better way.
    It Laws, rights and the constitution is not good enough, what then?
    Nothing when it comes down to it.
    But if we really want to clean things up, do what the Romans did - Nominate -now it would be elect a Dictator.
    Got to get the right one though.

    Roman dictator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    You need to revisit the chain of association... you only insisted you were a Trump-supporter after you figured out that made you a pederast as well. If I were you. I'd be more discreet about it... but I guess it's your dime.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Nothing when it comes down to it.
    But if we really want to clean things up, do what the Romans did - Nominate -now it would be elect a Dictator.
    Got to get the right one though.

    Roman dictator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    LO no there will never be a dictator in this country and FYI that doesnt make things more solid it makes them even more shakey
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LO no there will never be a dictator in this country and FYI that doesnt make things more solid it makes them even more shakey
    Ahh, having some fun
    Best you can get are good laws and a Govt that functions.
    Presently, and for decades your country has for the most part been quite dysfunctional at the Federal level.
    Open minded and or reasonable discussion is a rarity.
    Govt no longer serves the people it serves special interests.
    It is Us V Them mentality.
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJames3000 View Post
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Ahh, having some fun
    Best you can get are good laws and a Govt that functions.
    Presently, and for decades your country has for the most part been quite dysfunctional at the Federal level.
    Open minded and or reasonable discussion is a rarity.
    Govt no longer serves the people it serves special interests.
    It is Us V Them mentality.
    yep thats why I laughed, fun is all good.

    while I agree in many ways I think dysfunctional maybe a little strong.

    If I had to describe it we are still a mega fast race car, are tranny is just missing a gear, the engine is low on oil and theres 3 monkeys driving.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...actually, divorce and re-marry is adultery.
    Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

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