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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Huckabee: Gay-Rights Movement 'Won't Stop Until There Are No Churches'

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    I do not see it. Just because Huckabee is making a statement here such as this does not mean he speaks for all of Christianity in this regard.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I would believe you if Christians cared as much about adultery and fornication as they do about gays and finding ways to legally thumb them in the eye. Mind you, having gay sex isn't even on God's top ten things not to do. Yet it is first place in the minds of many Christians on the conservative side.
    I agree with that. The reason is because it still most is about "them." Adultery and fornication ceased being a focus because it was too much about "us." To get a church to change is stance would only take about 10% of the membership openly being gay. Then, while still having doctrine against it like there is against adultery and fornication, they'd stop talking about it.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Many is open ended.
    Numbers, i am sure there is research out there. But before you make a claim of "many" it really should be quantified as best as is reasonably possible.
    Possible the Pew Institute may have some stats. I do not know.
    I'm not sure why I'm held to this ambiguous standard. From Wikipedia:

    Many members of the Christian Right consider homosexual acts as sinful[41] and think they should not be accepted by society.[42] They tend to interpret biblical verses on homosexual acts to mean that the heterosexual family was created by God[43] and that same-sex relationships contradict God’s design for marriage and violate his will.[44][45][46][47][48] Christians who oppose homosexual relationships sometimes contend that same-gender sexual activity is unnatural.[49]
    I'm open to other ways of phrasing 'large numbers of Christians'.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I do not see it. Just because Huckabee is making a statement here such as this does not mean he speaks for all of Christianity in this regard.
    Oh, I agree. But the reason Huckabee has a platform is because many on Christian right listen to him. Just like they did Jerry Falwell.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I agree with that. The reason is because it still most is about "them." Adultery and fornication ceased being a focus because it was too much about "us." To get a church to change is stance would only take about 10% of the membership openly being gay. Then, while still having doctrine against it like there is against adultery and fornication, they'd stop talking about it.
    That's actually a pretty good explanation. Doesn't that also indicate the strong likelihood of it truly being bigotry rather than religious principle?
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    That's actually a pretty good explanation. Doesn't that also indicate the strong likelihood of it truly being bigotry rather than religious principle?
    In a way, but more it is a matter of convenience and utility and for MOST that does not elevate to personal hatred.

    SOMEONE has to be the bad guy. In 10 years it will be some other group. I think that's human nature for any organization.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In a way, but more it is a matter of convenience and utility and for MOST that does not elevate to personal hatred.

    SOMEONE has to be the bad guy. In 10 years it will be some other group. I think that's human nature for any organization.
    Bigotry is not necessarily hatred. My grandmother was a class A bigot, competing easily with Archie Bunker, but she'd never have hurt or even hated anyone. She just thought she was better than they, didn't want them living nearby, didn't want them at "her" restaurants, shopping centers, grocers, etc.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Oh, I agree. But the reason Huckabee has a platform is because many on Christian right listen to him. Just like they did Jerry Falwell.
    Sure, and many blacks listen to Rev. Sharpston. Is he a true leader? Or just someone who runs to the head of parades to then declare he is the leader of it? That's a fair common tactic. Huckabee did not create any Christian's attitude about anything. Rather, he is skilled at declaring he is leading a parade he did not create.

    Contempt of homosexuality isn't a uniquely Christian thing, is it? Christianity isn't the source or origins.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Bigotry is not necessarily hatred. My grandmother was a class A bigot, competing easily with Archie Bunker, but she'd never have hurt or even hated anyone. She just thought she was better than they, didn't want them living nearby, didn't want them at "her" restaurants, shopping centers, grocers, etc.
    I agree. And likely if in the presence of a black person she likely was completely polite too. Most bigotry is soft bigotry, not proactive hatred.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.
    Nope. Christianity will survive when the pro-gay bullies have been judged immoral and cast into the Lake of Fire.

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