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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel
    Now that is in the very strict sense, and that is indeed a way in which we become implicated in mundane affairs. Therefore it is advised that persons who are very very serious about spiritual realization should live in a secluded place like a monastery where people are only engaged in activity centered around spiritual realization, and indeed that is why such places exist.
    This is not a central point, but I did want to note that that is not correct, and I would recommend you re-visit your Augustine.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Three things:

    1. There's no evidence God created gayness in individuals. Along with the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, decay and sin entered the human race. Genetic / hormonal abnormalities, such as some theorize occur during pregnancy in the womb, influence homosexuality.

    Homosexuality Might Develop in the Womb Due to Epigenetic Changes - SciTech Daily

    2. Regarding evil in creation. Assume you're God. How would you create man with free will and at the same time not allow him to do evil?

    How would you do that, JANFU?

    3. I believe God created life and after that micro-evolution, etc., occurred. As far as modern man, there's zero conclusive DNA evidence identifying any known hominid as man's immediate direct line ancestor.
    i see that even the hardcore homophobes are admitting homosexuality is inborn now

    which makes it all the more senseless - "hey, you were given a strong and persistent desire to do something, just don't ever act on it or you'll be tortured for all eternity!"

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Is it wise for Islam to link it's future to opposing gay rights?

    Opposition to homosexuality is a recruiting line of Islam and one of their condemnations of the West. Doesn't seem to be hurting the growth of Islam whatsoever. A counter argument could be made that yielding to equality of gays could make Christianity seem less important and less inviting to people. There is no basis to believe opposition to gay rights hurts Christian more than it helps it in terms of members and evangelizing. Religion isn't like politics.
    Well it's not as of yet. It took christianity 1700 years to reach that point, so maybe islam will by the year 2400

    And yeah it does hurt christianity, for the same reason you mention - recruitment is down. Young people have left the church in droves, in large part (though often not the only reason) because of homophobia

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i see that even the hardcore homophobes are admitting homosexuality is inborn now

    which makes it all the more senseless - "hey, you were given a strong and persistent desire to do something, just don't ever act on it or you'll be tortured for all eternity!"
    Go ahead and do whatever you want, Chromium, and see how that works out for you in the end.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Go ahead and do whatever you want, Chromium, and see how that works out for you.
    i take this as a sign since we may do what we want that you will stop crawling into S&S to condemn everyone

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I did say that the Catholic Church still does not marry adulterers.

    But all of them marry fornicators.
    There is no Biblical rule against marrying fornicators in the Bible and circumstantially marriage is required.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Except you're telling the gay couple to not even be a couple, which is nothing compared to adultery
    Biblical doctrine does not prohibit a gay couple being a couple. Nor do many Christian denominations. The only prohibition they have is against homosexual sex. The latest position of most anti-SSM Christian denominations is that being gay isn't sinful, but homosexual sex is. It is, specifically, the sexual act itself that is the sin.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i take this as a sign since we may do what we want that you will stop crawling into S&S to condemn everyone
    Sorry, chromium, I don't buy into your tacky rants.

    If people wind up in Hell it will be on them and nobody else.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well it's not as of yet. It took christianity 1700 years to reach that point, so maybe islam will by the year 2400

    And yeah it does hurt christianity, for the same reason you mention - recruitment is down. Young people have left the church in droves, in large part (though often not the only reason) because of homophobia
    It could be argued the exact opposite - that church participation is declining because churches are dropping their standards. If a Christian Church won't stick to Christian doctrine, what's the point?

    As for church participation and membership, it is the mainstream churches that have very soft, nice social sermons avoiding topics of sin that are declining. The churches that are booming are the fundamentalist and moralistic independent denominations. Because they tend to be independent counting their numbers is all but impossible as there is no federal registry of church participants. However those are the churches that thousands attend and tens to hundreds of thousands religiously watch on TV and contribute to.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Sorry, chromium, I don't buy into your tacky rants.

    If people wind up in Hell it will be on them and nobody else.
    The only person YOU can condemn to hell is yourself. You don't actually read the Bible much, do you?

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