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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That's a theologically liberal position, one which requires a much looser view of scripture and interpretation.
    It's also one that requires near Jesus-Seminar-era lack of education on the textual history of the Scripture documents. The idea that the NT authors simply made stuff up and put it in the mouth of Jesus is not academically tenable.

    Theologically conservative churches tend to take scripture in a relatively literal manner until there is compelling reason to interpret it otherwise.

    These two viewpoints are going to be incompatible. You're basically saying "ignore what the bible says' and the theologically-conservative reply is an astonished 'Um, we can't do that. The bible is the core of our beliefs."

    There's not going to be a meeting of the minds here.
    True enough, but I don't think it is because of a theological dispute about Christianity, but rather about whether or not Christianity should take primacy as the basis for a belief system.

    However I would at least HOPE there could be a measure of mutual respect, as in agreeing to disagree and acknowledging that the other is sincere in their belief and not merely BSing.

    Yes? No?
    Now that will be interesting to see.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

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    His words have absolutely been interpreted by others, but the words of his in the Gospels were merely written down by others. Jesus, having been around since before Creation, is rather immune to changing Western social sensibilities.


    And while He is not recorded as addressing homosexuality in his own words, He did define marriage as between man and woman. Also there's NT verses by the Apostles, which are widely believed to address homosexual activity as a sin.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And while He is not recorded as addressing homosexuality in his own words, He did define marriage as between man and woman. Also there's NT verses by the Apostles, which are widely believed to address homosexual activity as a sin.
    True enough. For those who worry about scriptural timelines, it's worth noting here that the oldest texts (coming from about 15-30 years after the death of Christ) in the New Testament are actually not the Gospels, but the Epistles of Paul.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nope. The most grievous sin of Christianity (to the extent that there is one) is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
    "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

    So, yeah, I qualify.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True enough. For those who worry about scriptural timelines, it's worth noting here that the oldest texts (coming from about 15-30 years after the death of Christ) in the New Testament are actually not the Gospels, but the Epistles of Paul.


    Yeah, I've already been told, in essence, "well, just ignore Paul."



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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

    So, yeah, I qualify.
    Ah, no. Atheism, as near as I can see =/= Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Well, the topic at hand is gays and Christians, not Christians and Atheists.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah, no. Atheism, as near as I can see =/= Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
    According to Merriam - Webster dictionary the word "blasphemy" means "the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God; the act of claiming the attributes of deity; irreverence toward something considered sacred."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    According to Merriam - Webster dictionary the word "blasphemy" means "the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God; the act of claiming the attributes of deity; irreverence toward something considered sacred."
    Pretty sure Jesus didn't reference Merriam when He said that - I'm not aware of anyone who has authoritatively been able to lay out for sure exactly what it means.

    Mind you, I've never researched it. But Atheism? nah. Heck, there are lots of Christians who don't even think that exists.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Pretty sure Jesus didn't reference Merriam when He said that - I'm not aware of anyone who has authoritatively been able to lay out for sure exactly what it means.

    Mind you, I've never researched it. But Atheism? nah. Heck, there are lots of Christians who don't even think that exists.
    It's generally understood that blasphemy is the rejection of Jesus. Ever heard of the blasphemy challenge?

    If you'd like to discuss this further, please start a thread on the Religion form and I'll respond in more depth.

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