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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

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    Did they repent, were you there. Did Jesus say it was a sin. He even loved those that crucified him.
    Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. So Jesus is on record as identifying gay sex as a sin, and he's on record telling people to repent of their sins (Luke 13:3). And if they don't, they will perish.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

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    Here is a song for you. Pay close attention to the words being said. Remember the lord moves in mysterious ways

    Now apply it to Jesus flipping over tables at the temple. Telling the money changers the pharisees and scribes they will get what they deserve.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    Remember that it's not the Identity - it's the Activity.
    Jesus preached love. He would never ever have demanded that people...who are born that way... have to live their entire lives without the love and companionship and intimacy and joys of marriage that other people may have.

    He would never have insisted or proclaimed that such people live a lie and have to grow old alone, without a loving spouse.

    It has always bothered me, even as a teen, that our society would insist that gays do so....that so many people would insist that people who loved those of the same gender must deny themselves the chance at that, to grow old with someone they love (and enjoy all that entails, including intimacy).

    I had not examined gays rights issues as a teen but I knew that was wrong. And I knew Jesus would never want that either.

    Yes...this is *my* Christian belief.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. So Jesus is on record as identifying gay sex as a sin, and he's on record telling people to repent of their sins (Luke 13:3). And if they don't, they will perish.
    You personality know God, & what he wants & feel the need to dictate his laws. I don't think that's for you to decide. Don't worry you'e pretty hate machine. He will sort it out, not you.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    Here is a song for you. Pay close attention to the words being said. Remember the lord moves in mysterious ways
    Sorry, I don't listen to that. Don't some in the Nine Inch Nail crowd think the murderer Che Guevara is cool? If so that's not at all cool.

    " Poster boy Che Guevara was particularly keen on "reeducating" gay and effeminate men and dispatched thousands, without charge or trial, to concentration camps."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Jesus preached love. He would never ever have demanded that people...who are born that way... have to live their entire lives without the love and companionship and intimacy and joys of marriage that other people may have.
    Actually He did.

    (Matthew 19:12) For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.


    In the previous paragraph, Jesus gives us His view of marriage:
    (Matthew 19:3-6) And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”



    We all have our temptations, many of which are woven into our genetic makeup, and many of which are malleable (as is sexuality). That isn't an excuse for us to fall to them, we retain agency.


    He would never have insisted or proclaimed that such people live a lie and have to grow old alone, without a loving spouse.
    He did that, too, and not just for Homosexuals:
    (Matthew 19:9) And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity,[a] and marries another, commits adultery.



    It has always bothered me, even as a teen, that our society would insist that gays do so....that so many people would insist that people who loved those of the same gender must deny themselves the chance at that, to grow old with someone they love (and enjoy all that entails, including intimacy).

    I had not examined gays rights issues as a teen but I knew that was wrong. And I knew Jesus would never want that either.

    Yes...this is *my* Christian belief.
    Well, your "Christian" belief is at odds with what Christ taught. If you are truly seeking to avoid conforming to the world but rather conform yourself to Him by allowing yourself to be corrected in your thoughts, words, and deeds by Biblical truth, then you may want to spend some time praying on that.

    I don't like some of it either, to be honest, but it is what it is, and the discrepancy is not His fault, but my own.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary - it is Progressives who are the aggressors in the culture wars - it's in the name. SSM wasn't the law of the land, Pro-SSM'ers set out to change that. What you are referencing is active public campaigns to defend the previous standard of marriage, as agreeably imperfect as it was.
    No, society demanded that gays be treated equally in marriage and religious organizations came out fighting. They and their beliefs are in the minority regarding the issue...that much is plain.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Are they repentant? Or is the event a celebration of adultery/fornication?
    Who knows? Are they asked? It's not a requirement for the marriage apparently.
    "Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Freedom of Conscience is limited to religion? Atheists don't get it?
    It was a question....I implied no such thing.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, society demanded that gays be treated equally in marriage and religious organizations came out fighting.
    no, extremist activist elements demanded SSM and society came out in defense of traditional marriage.

    "society" is all of us. Within "society", the folks who are the aggressors are the ones who wanted (demanded) change - in this case, the liberal left. The Christian communities and conservative communities were responding to that.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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