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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If those who love to wrap themselves with the name "Christian" would live his teachings instead of perverting them and taking his name in vain....there would be no conflict.
    That is unfortunately not true. Christ taught a definite Doctrine of Sin, which the modern West rejects.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

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    If you're a baker who advertised his baking services, it isn't violating your religion to bake what you advertised. Wal-Mart can't follow you home and make sure you aren't using that KY jelly to masturbate. No one is forcing Christians to get gay married, they're simply saying if you advertise a service you can't deny it to someone based on their sexual orientation. That's discrimination, not a violation of your religion.

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't interact economically with homosexuals. Why doesn't it violate their religion to sell me, an atheist, a pizza?
    You are conflating two non-identical things. Selling pizza slices to anyone who walks through the door =/= catering a gay wedding. One of these (as the post you were responding to delineated) is taking part in a ceremony that violates your faith.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is unfortunately not true. Christ taught a definite Doctrine of Sin, which the modern West rejects.
    Actually...it is very true. Christ would look at the bigots of today in exactly the same way he viewed the Pharisees....because they are almost exactly the same.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually...it is very true. Christ would look at the bigots of today in exactly the same way he viewed the Pharisees....because they are almost exactly the same.
    I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between the Pharisee's with their endless, pointless, ever-finer delineation of rules and modern promulgators of ever-more-complex Speech Codes.

    However, the fact remains that Jesus preached things that the modern West likes to reject and ignore - Christians living in faithfulness to His teachings are absolutely going to run up against the world. And, as Jesus said, that is to be expected.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are conflating two non-identical things. Selling pizza slices to anyone who walks through the door =/= catering a gay wedding. One of these (as the post you were responding to delineated) is taking part in a ceremony that violates your faith.
    I've actually never seen a wedding that provides food during the ceremony. It's almost always the after party. If you don't want to cater to parties, don't cater to parties. You don't get to discriminate against someone just because you find them icky. When Jesus fed the poor he didn't ask about their sexual orientation first.

    It would be no different than if they refused to cater to a party of black people because it "violated their religion" to feed them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    So why is it on the homosexual top ten to discriminate against Christians? I hear the pizza restaurant in IN even got death threats.
    Huck may be a nut, or may be not, I don't know him well enough to say. Let him speak just as everyone else is entitled to their opinions.
    Everyone seems to cheer when someone speaks out against Christians. May be he has a point, although he could have made a better argument.
    Only in Christian victimhood land is not being allowed to discriminate discrimination. Learn to treat your fellow human beings with respect.
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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    So why is it on the homosexual top ten to discriminate against Christians?
    It's not. 99% of homosexuals just want to be left alone without being discriminated against.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between the Pharisee's with their endless, pointless, ever-finer delineation of rules and modern promulgators of ever-more-complex Speech Codes.

    However, the fact remains that Jesus preached things that the modern West likes to reject and ignore - Christians living in faithfulness to His teachings are absolutely going to run up against the world. And, as Jesus said, that is to be expected.
    That is a complete distortion of Jesus based on his teachings. Christians who live in faithfulness would not run up against the world at all. There are many, I would say the vast majority, of Christians who live fully his teachings and have no conflict. Those who have conflict with the modern world are the so called "Christians" who are much closer to the Pharisees of Christ's day than they are to his true followers. The Pharisees who loved to stand on the corner and pray so that others could view them....are like the radical "Christians" today who feel the need to push their perverted religion into the public square....who love to "worship" in public so that others may view them....the ones who shun those who they view as "unworthy" in order to enlighten their piousness. Most Christians are good people who live his teachings...they are almost never the ones who proclaim themselves "Christian".

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It's not. 99% of homosexuals just want to be left alone without being discriminated against.
    ...as does 99% of any group.... including Christians.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ...as does 99% of any group.... including Christians.
    No, many Christians openly oppose homosexuals and seek to sabotage their acceptance within society. They try to elect people who support an anti-gay agenda, so that life can be made miserable for them where possible.

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    Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I've actually never seen a wedding that provides food during the ceremony. It's almost always the after party.
    it's all part of the celebration. If it violates people's faith to take part, they shouldn't be force to do so.

    You don't get to discriminate against someone just because you find them icky.
    you are impugning motives onto others that they do not have.

    It's the flip coin of accusing you of taking the stance you do only because you dislike Christians and want to stamp their belief system out of the public sphere.

    When did we lose the ability to recognize that people can come to differing conclusions from good motivations?

    When Jesus fed the poor he didn't ask about their sexual orientation first.
    No. But He did tell his followers not to partake in sin, nor to use their position to enable others in it. He also defined marriage as between a man and a woman, and, as near as I can tell, never advocated using the coercive power of government to force anyone to do anything ever.



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    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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